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eeyonkee

Trad climber

Golden, CO

Mar 31, 2015 - 02:29pm PT

I say that Aristotle was a bad scientist because he often pontificated about things wrongly that he could have just measured or observed and realized his mistake. He didn't like that "down and dirty" measuring thing. He liked staying in the higher plane, like Largo.

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Mar 31, 2015 - 02:30pm PT

Not personal, just a critique of the work. Artists are used to them.

It's not a negative thing that most artists stay within the confines of a few specific styles. A person can only develop so much expertise in any given area.

As far as personal attacks go, um...yeah. They're hardly anything new on this thread. Certainly nothing novel to our dear Paul here.

paul roehl

Boulder climber

california

Mar 31, 2015 - 02:48pm PT

Not personal, just a critique of the work. Artists are used to them.

A statement as disingenuous and petty as any I've read here... your critique is as ridiculous as your philosophy both of which rely purely on the efficacy of a rather empty arrogance.

But, good luck with that.

cintune

climber

The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen

Mar 31, 2015 - 02:59pm PT

Nicomachean Ethics as well.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber

Mar 31, 2015 - 02:59pm PT

Very,very,very interesting discussion.

paul roehl

Boulder climber

california

Mar 31, 2015 - 03:27pm PT

Don't you think the female finds this nest to be of an aesthetic nature?

I doubt it, though bird communication is not my thing. It's certain somehow you find it aesthetically pleasing in the sense of what you expect or imagine is the bird's experience. We can't know why the bird is attracted. To describe this as aesthetic interest is a great leap of faith and anthropomorphic in nature.

paul roehl

Boulder climber

california

Mar 31, 2015 - 03:44pm PT

Hmm, it looks it went over your head.

Yes, like a bird on the wing...

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Mar 31, 2015 - 03:46pm PT

Your art would improve any dental office, Paul, I'll grant you that.

MH2

Boulder climber

Andy Cairns

Mar 31, 2015 - 04:23pm PT

A type of spectacles (glasses) typically worn by husbands of nagging wives, Moose.

WBraun

climber

Mar 31, 2015 - 04:23pm PT

Fetch your horn rims out of your nagging wife's purse

Translation:

Get on yer knees and start praying because your theories and measurements are so astronomically far off its become nothing but a comedy of errors ......

MH2

Boulder climber

Andy Cairns

Mar 31, 2015 - 04:28pm PT

Unfortunately yes, as ants refuse to abandon their absolute faith in the scientific method.

Oh.

Not only ants are out, but perhaps scientists, too? The universe coming to know itself must be a job for a special kind of critter. Possibly one with a background in cathedral building.

lostinshanghai

Social climber

someplace

Mar 31, 2015 - 04:47pm PT

Newton throughout his life time spent more time or was more interested not with his scientific work but on searching for the “Philosophers' Stone” [also known as Alchemy]. He tried on recreating it and wrote a lot on the subject of the occult. Since all it was, was a magic trick at that time, even Newton was a victim himself but intrigued him to the point in writing volumes of material on the subject. Later the English would hang the tricksters for fooling the audience of their monies another reason if someone did or could create gold the gold standard could be compromised as in devaluation.

Quite interesting.

Gold synthesis in a nuclear reactor has shown it can be done but too expensive and radioactive.

Mostly now in contemporary times considered as enlightenment or self-awareness. The one below is by an artist that says it was just a journey. It parts its way for another one to come.

“The Philosophers Stone”

jgill

Boulder climber

The high prairie of southern Colorado

Mar 31, 2015 - 04:47pm PT

I like your paintings, Paul. Your use of light and the sense of motion or transition rather than images frozen in time are appealing. Some people think they know everything.

WBraun

climber

Mar 31, 2015 - 04:56pm PT

There is vedic yogic process for making gold by alchemy.

The process is they will drink mercury at night, and in the morning they will urine on the copper coins.

The copper coins are then taken and put into fire, it becomes gold.

No need for modern stupid nuclear bullsh!t.

Modern scientists have no clue how it's done nor can they even do it for they will die of mercury poisoning.

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Mar 31, 2015 - 05:00pm PT

Did I say I didn't like Paul's work?

No I did not.

I like being calmed while waiting for a root canal as much as the next guy. Hell, I might even hang one if someone gave it to me for free. Not in the dining or living room, though.

Putting forth an opinion is just that - there's no claim to knowing anything in it.

But really, the work could hardly be described as cutting edge in the art world. Is that a problem for some of you? I'd wager it's not for the artist himself.

No, the denigration flows the other direction, I'd say. I'm just noting that it flows from a place of unoriginal mediocrity is all. If Paul brought more creative firepower to the table, the weight of his "I'll decide what's art for the rest of you" schtick might depress the mattress a bit more. His thinking is no less staid in general. And his jokes - well, that's the real crime.

WBraun

climber

Mar 31, 2015 - 05:05pm PT

Tvash -- Putting forth an opinion is just that - there's no claim to knowing anything in it.

That's bullsh!t galore!!!

You have to know something about art to even make the opinion you made about Pauls work.

Bottom line, .. you're full of sh!t and seeking damage control for your bullsh!t .....

WBraun

climber

Mar 31, 2015 - 05:13pm PT

Just giving insult is stupid.

One must give intelligent insult.

Without the intelligent in there its not scientific ......

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Mar 31, 2015 - 05:23pm PT

You really can't make this stuff up :)

Every artist is limited by the confines of their imagination. How derivative is the work? Is is fresh? Is it shite? Standard procedure.

Evolution is not limited by any individual's imagination. Shuffle the deck, and it's an awfully big deck, and see what pops out. Waxwings, jewel beetles, orchids, anglerfish.

It's really not so different from what an artist does - shuffle ideas - words, stories, images, textures, sounds - and see what pops out. Once an artist has a direction - it might be time to fill out the phylum, the artistic niche, with variants on the theme.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Mar 31, 2015 - 06:36pm PT

I figured you were running my post by your source, Largo... but of course this is going to get a bit difficult to have an argument with "a young gun" using you as a filter...

as for what may be, we will see about gravity. So far, the young guns haven't contributed anything... perhaps they could predict something new... not seeing gravity waves, lot's of reason why. I'm sure your "young gun" had moments of doubt with the BICEP2 announcement.

As far as describing "the process," I'm not sure what you are looking for, Newton is entirely fine for you, he explains a universe you are very familiar with, and to great precision and accuracy. If it weren't for your GPS you'd not need Einstein in your daily life at all... no need to worry your pretty little head over that "space-time bending" issue... which the energy-stress tensor does (which is where the mass is stuffed in, including the photon, which is massless, but has gravity).

You whiff again on this, perhaps you should get your 7th grade notebook out for a refresher...