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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Mar 30, 2015 - 03:14pm PT
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It's a breathtaking pageantry of anthropocentric arrogance.
That nature is virtuous and humanity, particularly civilized humanity, is corrupt and arrogant is a philosophical system manifested to fill the vacuum of a discredited Christianity in the 19th C. and is religion no less than Christianity itself.
And thank you, it is a gem.
The inevitability of something that has already happened is a self eating watermelon. That's not what I stated and the operative word here is infinite.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Mar 30, 2015 - 03:18pm PT
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 03:34pm PT
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We don't really know what gravity is, actually.
In the future you will know.
Just build a bigger machine with more slide rules on it.
Warning ---- This has been a Tvash style post ......
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 03:48pm PT
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Well played Mr.Braun.Well played indeed...
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 30, 2015 - 03:55pm PT
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Given infinite time and infinite material you get infinite nonsense.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 30, 2015 - 03:57pm PT
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I'm not going anywhere with gravity other than around the earth, sun, and galactic center. To my knowledge, anyway.
There are other theories that provide more solid footing for discussion of science - since we really don't have a rigorously tested theory of gravity at this time.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:04pm PT
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Even Jesus couldn't open that cockpit door.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:08pm PT
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Even Jesus couldn't open that cockpit door.
Yes, because he was made of straw.
Given infinite time and infinite material you get infinite nonsense.
Ha, what an athletic argument! I can certainly think of another place you'll find infinite nonsense.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
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Mar 30, 2015 - 03:55pm PT
Given infinite time and infinite material you get infinite nonsense.
Perfect.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
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I suppose this means we can expect unicorns at some point, then.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:16pm PT
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Rainbow colored ones.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:22pm PT
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That nature is virtuous and humanity, particularly civilized humanity, is corrupt and arrogant is a philosophical system manifested to fill the vacuum of a discredited Christianity in the 19th C. and is religion no less than Christianity itself.
Nature is not 'virtuous' and humanity is not 'civilized'.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:25pm PT
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Some conference in Sedona is missing its keynote speaker.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
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The inevitability of mind is a sublime consideration as it says something slightly disquieting with regard to the certainty of the atheist.
Nonsense. The 'inevitability of mind' is clearly on display even in a cursory look at behavior up the taxonomy of life. Hell, the 'inevitability of mind' is painfully obvious studying C. elegans, flatworms and Fruit Flies. Nothing remotely disquieting about it.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Mar 30, 2015 - 04:57pm PT
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When you describe the "anthropocentric arrogance" of someone you're articulating the idea that humanity is set apart from nature. You wouldn't describe the self centeredness of any other creature on this planet as a quality of arrogance. You'd describe that celebration of the self as perfectly in tune with the cycle of nature... How is it that only humanity is in some way inferior to the rest of nature through its self centered arrogance?
The worship of nature is a religion like any other and it resonates behind what many here call science.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 30, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
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When you describe the "anthropocentric arrogance" of someone you're articulating the idea that humanity is set apart from nature.
Quite the opposite, it is you and others who can't bear the idea of such a 'gifted' creation as just another animal.
How is it that only humanity is in some way inferior to the rest of nature through its self centered arrogance?
Not inferior, just delusional.
The worship of nature is a religion like any other and it resonates behind what many here call science.
You keep missing not only the mark, but the entire wall it's mounted on. I don't worship nature and science is not religion no matter how many times religious folk attempt to paint it as such.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 30, 2015 - 05:20pm PT
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Nope.
We don't 'worship' nature. That would be religion.
We 'appreciate' it. That is not religion.
Engrish, Paul! Learn it!
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Mar 30, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
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I don't worship nature and science is not religion no matter how many times religious folk attempt to paint it as such.
The romantic movement and its worship of nature has permeated western culture to such a degree that it's almost impossible for its acolytes to recognize in themselves. Kind of like a smell you get used to. I'm not "religious folk" but I know em when I see em.
Next time you're in the Sierra and you're standing at the top of some peak or climb looking into prodigious space and you're plainly too moved to speak, ask yourself what is the source of this feeling?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Mar 30, 2015 - 05:37pm PT
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HEY Jan!
i thought of you today, and here you are:)
Tomorrow there is a segment on NPR about women in Afghanistan climbing the highest peaks in Afghanistan. In todays commercial one woman said, "i like climbing because the mountain doesn't take into consideration that i am a woman, i am just a person getting the job done."
It sounded cool, i can't wait!
Cheers!
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Mar 30, 2015 - 05:43pm PT
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We 'appreciate' it. That is not religion.
Really, what is it that you appreciate? Its consoling, reconciling quality? Its beauty, the sense of wonder it elicits in you? Or am I describing here the experience of good Catholics at mass?
Engrish, Paul! Learn it!
I'm struggling as it's a second language.
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