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MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 28, 2015 - 01:47am PT
feralfae: . . . I have no problem seeing the orderliness of the Universe as proof of the existence of some Creator.

If you could create anything that you could, why would you make it orderly? What would be the point?

Largo: "What is mind" is in fact a totally trick question.

AH HA! You finally exposed yourself. You devil! I was wondering when you were going to admit it. Funny, really. Teaching is always a very tricky subject. You must understand your students psychologically and emotionally to connect with them--sometimes in perverse ways.


Moosedrool: I like to compare consciousness to a sensation. When I see a chair, it is my brain that translates the inputs from the optical nerves and gives me the image of the chair.

You could have stopped with the first sentence, which was great! Then you added all that theory and definition. (You’re in full speculation mode.) Sure it could be like that, and in an infinite number of other ways, too.

Next?

Andre Gide (channeled by Ed): The facts are clear, and they have been known for a long time. When it comes to the metaphysics of free will, André Gide’s remark is apt: ‘Everything has been said before, but since nobody listens we have to keep going back and beginning all over again.’ It seems that the only freedom that we can have is compatibilist freedom. If – since – that is not enough for ultimate responsibility, we cannot have ultimate responsibility.

Horse pucky. It’s no fact--it’s an interpretation. Fine, . . . one among an infinite number of others. Show me the data, Mr. Gide.

Ed: Writing is not only a means of communicating, but also an aid to developing ideas that can be articulated clearly.

Whew. Hear hear. Kills me sometimes.

(Who doesn’t like Ed?)

Tvash: . . . we're plastic, . . .

So much so that there isn’t any there there.

Ward: . . a sort of generalized insipidness, . . .


Wonderful phrasing. I’m using it the next time available.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 28, 2015 - 10:26am PT
which one of you, Moose? by now you've bifurcated a huge number of times...
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 28, 2015 - 10:37am PT
you'll need to upload that query to the moosecloud
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 28, 2015 - 11:18am PT
Best pickup/put down ever:

"In Bizarro World, you and I are married."

 overheard at our neighborhood german pub
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 28, 2015 - 03:37pm PT
Ed: In spite of the fact it would blow your avatar cover, have you published anything anywhere? and can you reference it?

Tvash is in fact a real, if occasionally surreal, person up here in the PNW...
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 28, 2015 - 04:03pm PT
i am? you sure?
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 28, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
Confusion reigns.

I think it was HFCS Ed was asking.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2015 - 04:16pm PT
Ed said: "I think it is easy to say that life has a physical explanation..."

But who is going to say that physicality itself has a physical explanation, when if you keep reducing down, you get to that which has no physical extent?

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 28, 2015 - 04:18pm PT
But who is going to say that physicality itself has a physical explanation, when if you keep reducing down, you get to that which has no physical extent?


maybe, but maybe not... but that is a mind stretch for most posting here and perhaps more strange than anything Largo has posted.

he should ask his car pool about "pre-geometry"

jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Mar 28, 2015 - 04:37pm PT
You must understand your students (MikeL)

Oh my God, now we are Largo's students??


Get a grip.


when if you keep reducing down, you get to that which has no physical extent? (JL)

I suppose that no physical extent is a step in the right direction, away from Hilbert spaces and quantum flux. John's really trying to extricate himself from metaphysical flapdoodle. Keep at it, big guy!
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 28, 2015 - 06:28pm PT
But who is going to say that physicality itself has a physical explanation, when if you keep reducing down, you get to that which has no physical extent?


This is why God, no-thing, and bed-time were invented; to put an end to kids asking, "Why?"
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 28, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
"Get a grip." -jgill

Easy now, bro.

It's supposed to be common knowledge here that I am the bad cop in this neighborhood. Back off.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Mar 28, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
Rene Descarte espoused his declaration of mindful existence by declaring "I think, therefore I am".

On a more primal level one could say "I stink, therefore I am".

Primal over Pompous.

cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Mar 28, 2015 - 08:11pm PT
Let me just save Largo the trouble:

"When have I ever said I was trying to teach anyone anything?"

There.

Still, I have sometimes wondered if he's bothered to obtain inka shōmei.

I rather doubt it.
thebravecowboy

climber
Greyrock, CO
Mar 28, 2015 - 08:15pm PT
This is why God, no-thing, and bed-time were invented; to put an end to kids asking, "Why?"

hee-hee-hee
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 28, 2015 - 08:21pm PT
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Mar 28, 2015 - 08:35pm PT
^^^Dog hocked a lougie onto a magnolia leaf.

My mind is all asunder.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 28, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
Why did you post that pic^?

Why did Largo climb the Nose in a day?

Why did Lynn free-climb the Nose?

Why doesn't last years flu shoot work on this years flu epidemic?

seems like the question Why is best at starting the scientific method of inquiring of past experiences? And maybe then some..

Why is Honnold going to free-solo the Nose?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Mar 28, 2015 - 09:47pm PT

"Life is what you make it."
Harry Gordon Selfridge
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 28, 2015 - 11:30pm PT
I apologize to both Johns. I had a couple of glasses of wine last night, and I was feeling perverse. My bad. I shouldn’t have written that. I don’t think Largo is teaching that anything is anything. I think he’s suggesting that people should simply look for themselves if they have any doubts (or any over-the-top claims) of what truth is. (Sorry.)


On another note, . . .

. . . I’m wondering if anyone has gone to any of the “Science and Nondualism” (SAND) conferences that occur in or near the bay area these years. The next one is in October in San Jose, and it will span 4 days to include 2 days of pre conference workshops. If anyone has attended any of them in the past, I’m wondering what they were like. What’s being talked about, what are the sessions like, what are the people like, etc.

I’m thinking I might want to submit an idea for a presentation at the conference.
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