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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 23, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
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Norton.
Come on. You know the gig. If one hasn't enough nor any funds to pay for their immediate health care, can prove they have LOW or NO income, the Health Care provider swallows the cost of services provided. Now more so after Obamacare. Fact. I have two guides that use that protocol when in need of services. One got over $30K in procedure and hospital care totally wrote off just last Fall.
if you are talking about indigent visits to the emergency rooms then that has been available for over 40 years with the cost of such care paid by a small portion of private insurers premium money with the majority of the expense being written off by the hospital as part of their "contract" to provide such services in addition to their full retail billing
in short chief, that has nothing, as in zero, to do with the new healthcare legislation
again, you leap to a conclusion based on erroneous assumption
stop doing that sh!t Chief, you are both smarter than that and don't need to do it
I have read the ACA, all 2700 pages, twice so don't give me any of that "you know better" crap
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 23, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
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Norton.
Not "indigent" to the ER at all. Both were completed after repeated out patient visits. One was actually "elective" in nature. Neither have any sort of med insurance for just that reason. For real. Not making this up.
GEOLOGY
And what profession have you applied that to in order to the serve the people around you.
yet nothing you have said above refuted my contention that the ACA has nothing in it that is applicable to your statement that the unemployed (weschrist) is getting "free" healthcare specifically because of "Obamacare"
your other question? i am now, as of two months ago, completely retired
and I will hold up my "service" to my fellow Americans to damn near anyone else's service
be careful, again, of what you assume Chief
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 23, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
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Thanks for your service Chief...even though sometimes it seems that you regret it or the amount you were paid for risking your life while others made buckoo bucks doing legalized theft...we all wonder if we had made a different choice would we like our lives better---for me NO I haven't made good money helping others but I am proud of it.
I also like your looking at solutions like Natural Gas---much better fuel source than what is currently being force fed to us. Most of us would use a better fuel if it were available.
Renewables can and should be developed...if BIG OIL didn't buy up the companies that try to develope them MAYBE we would have a realistic, convenient mode of transport fueled by renewables now.
I don't like people taking advantage of the system just because they can (like the 2 guides you know) but that is exactly what the BIG INSURANCE COMPANIES do.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 23, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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A little off topic but i thought i would throw this in; Everyone here owes a debt of gratitude to The Chief and generations of his brethern before him. Without sacrifices of such men we probably wouldn't have the freedom to argue here with fellow idiots on the internet. From what i understand, The Chief lost 18 of his fellow shipmates and was himself wounded defending our beautiful country. Chief's, the highest enlisted rank in the navy, pretty much run the day to day nuts and bolts of the navy. This i know since my own Dad, god rest his soul, was a Chief Petty Officer in the navy, in combat during world war 11 and two tours in Vietnam attached to a Marine division. He, like the Chief was keenly intelligent and rightly proud of this country he defended. So guys, this memorial day when your enjoying a barbeque and beer tilt one in salute of The Chief's and the entire militaries sacrifices for this country.
Construction is going nuts up here, lots of military rotating in and out of the expanding nearby bases. Here in the valley we offer comparable homes to the nearby Anchorage suburbs for 100,000 dollars less. So i pop by here at the office every once in awhile to offer my two cents worth after quickly reviewing content.Cheers.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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May 23, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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Jeepers Creeper --
Stop talken about what you know, & get back on topic.
Although I like the fishen talk it's ot.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 23, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
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You are unemployed
Nope. Guess again. I had 4 jobs last year. I took every opportunity I could get and ended up scraping together $30k worth. Not bad for 45 weeks of doing work I enjoy, I do okay.
How much did you work in 2012?
That is pretty harsh rSin. I personally know a few really, really good people who are veterans. A 2 tour vet of Iraq was one of the most motivated, insightful students I've had. Maybe he was just super psyched to not be there anymore.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 23, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
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I will tip a couple this weekend to the service of the Chiefs,Ricks father and my own, a WWII recon marine in the pacific theater,with two purple hearts,not to mention all vets.
Fly fishing is hunting,you must fool them convincingly.Tempting them to rise is just the begining of the fun.
GEOLOGY,at this point not much ,but i volunteer doing water testing in our creeks and rivers for the nydec.
I am an emt/first responder also.I just try to do my share.I wish i could say the same about construction over here,it has finally slowed here.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 23, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
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You can read, right Chaff?
The most recent year with fewer tornadoes through April occurred in 2005 when 83 EF1 and stronger tornadoes were counted. Through April, 2013 stands in stark contrast to 2011 when a record number of 586 tornadoes (EF1+) were counted through the first four months of the year. Over the last decade, the January through April tornado count has shown dramatic variability. The 2nd least active period on record (52 tornadoes in 2004) and the most active on record (586 in 2011) have occurred during this time. Not including 2013, four of the 10 least active years and four of the 10 most active years, through April, have all occurred since 2002. It is not entirely clear why this variability has appeared in the tornado counts in recent years. However, given this observed variability, simple averages of tornado counts over recent years do not provide much information about expected tornado activity level from any one year to the next.
With your extensive research into climate science, you surely know that ALL GCMs PREDICT AN INCREASE IN INTERANNUAL VARIABILITY. A clear example of interannual variability is described in the paragraph above.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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May 23, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
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Yes, gratitude to ST's assembly of U.S. veterans.
ED works for the same government Boys Club that invented, designed and helped implement this wonderful and save the planet item. And they were not from Manhattan.
My sorrows for events of the past, Chief... but Dr Ed doesn't work for the government agency that invented, designed or implemented Fat Man/ Little Boy bombs . After preliminary efforts at the National Bureau of Standards and Office of Scientific Research and Development, those weapons were produced by the. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
I believe Ed still works for Bechtel, in contract work for the Department of Energy. (as I did in a more modest position)
Current nuclear weapons activities are administered by the National Nuclear Security Administration, semi-autonomous from the Department of Energy. (and erstwhile built weapons are subordinate to the Department of Defense.)
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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May 23, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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^^what's your point Chief, nothing there about National Nuclear Security Administration^^
The Chief neglects to mention that The Chief worked in the department that is armed by nuclear weapons.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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May 23, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
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Thats all you got?
Really,a professor from one of the worst colleges in the u.s.a.
I know a few different guys that played hockey for UAH,there is a reason they went to that school.
With just regard for your humor, Wilbeer...U.A.H is one of the excellently regarded engineering and science institutions in the U.S. and its grads are actively recruited.
Perhaps the University of Alabama-Huntsville isn't rated as eminently as M.I.T. or Caltech. But all relevant research and innovation doesn't transpire at a handful of universities.
Of 1074 accredited engineering colleges in the U.S..UAH is rated 89th by U.S. News
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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May 23, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
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And since Ed is not involved in nukes, I'd bet he has no qualms in what he is doing either.
Btw, Chief, I'm not mountainlion. Try to focus.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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May 23, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
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After reading Ed's posts last night as well as some of the rational arguments made by others, and then seeing the responses of rick, ron and thechief, the phrase "pearls before swine" came to mind.
Not being the religious sort, I did not have a bible handy to look up the whole thing, so I found this on wiki:
"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."
I quit trying to argue with the mentally unstable and logically unhygienic blockheads like thechief, but I like reading the articles, arguments and wit of those that continue the impossible--it'd be much easier to talk an alcoholic into quitting booze.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 23, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
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Jennie,that may be Today,not 35 years ago.
I am sorry ,i should have clarified that.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 23, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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^^^^That was a waste of a post Weschrispie. Stated absolutely NOTHING.^^^^
Only because you can't fathom what interannual variability in a complex natural system actually means.
As far as the healthcare issue, it is quite aggravating to go to my rural health clinic for my quarterly check up and see the waiting room 1/2 full of "no hablas" that most assuredly do not have any kind of health insurance to speak of.
I'm pretty sure your health care jab was aimed at me...
the unemployed (weschrist) is getting "free" healthcare specifically because of "Obamacare"
Yet I habla just fine. You can't even manage a coherent thought in that tiny head of yours.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 23, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
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question for the "chief":
why would you be so damn childish as to try to diminish the college that Ed attended?
are you now some kind of expert judge of colleges and their academic standards?
where did YOU go to college and what is YOUR degree in, chief?
you really seem to delight in trying real hard to insult and mock other people on this thread
who gives a damn how many people were killed in Syria, yet you try to make that somehow relevant to climate change....
you are clearly not a stupid man by any means, yet you are not man enough to come right out and admit when you are proven flat wrong, as I did to you when you shot your uninformed mouth off about the healthcare legislation somehow providing "free' healthcare to the unemployed, you are full of sh!t
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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May 23, 2013 - 10:10pm PT
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The Chief
climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
-it'd be much easier to talk an alcoholic into quitting booze.
Really. You know this from personal regular experience or are you pulling this out your arse.
Lots of personal experience, and as an ED RN--plus lots of experience with psych patients too.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 23, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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Hmnn-some of the biggest engineering/construction firms on Earth under contract with DOE? Fascism is where we are heading? Anyway Ed,just prepping you-read the observations/opinion-debunk please.
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