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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 12:22pm PT
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Yes, and hatred is wrong. There is no other reason to deny gay people the right to marry except for prejudice.
BTW, citing "political correctness" is usually just a rationalization to act an as#@&%e.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 12:38pm PT
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dirtbag, Your tone of speech and pathetic choice of words confirms that you are someone who cannot carry on an intelligent, adult conversation, which renders you irrelevant.
Well, you are still prejudiced. That is the ONLY reason to oppose gay marriage: you think gay people are inferior. But I can see why you'd rather not address that point.
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Matthew Moore
Trad climber
davis, ca.
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Jan 21, 2010 - 12:40pm PT
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Dirtbag is correct.
If one spends enough time attempting to determine the rationale of those who would deny gays and lesbians the right to marry, it comes down to their need to own the term "marriage", and nothing more. Opponents of equal rights often allude to the alleged Biblical origins of the union; but of course this is nonsense.
Denying homosexuals the right to marry is simply a desperate attempt to keep gays separate and unequal.
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Matthew Moore
Trad climber
davis, ca.
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Jan 21, 2010 - 12:49pm PT
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Would you deny gays "Civil Unions" then?
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 12:52pm PT
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Sinning Gays shouldn't marry = gays aren't good enough to marry = gays are inferior.
Fortunately we have the First Amendment which helps to keep our government secular.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Jan 21, 2010 - 12:56pm PT
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and dirtbag,
while you are coming out of that dark closet.. into the lie, er i mean light, drop a coin into cragman's plate, cause, you know slinging harsh judgement on folks of beauty and uniquenss is a BUSINESS.
get out of the way cragman. we are a culture growing up beyond your jackass ideals of you telling me what is right and wrong. all based upon your ignorant fairy tale.
you are truely a puppet. as are all christians. the problem is, the hand that is shoved up your spine orchestrating your actions is the same member that convinced hitler that he was right.
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2010 - 01:00pm PT
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Homosexuality is not evil.
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Matthew Moore
Trad climber
davis, ca.
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:03pm PT
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"You are irrelevant"
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nita
Social climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:07pm PT
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Cragman, You and i have many things in common my friend. I greatly admire you, but on this subject.. you just make me sad.
no disrespect intended....off to work...
nita
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Matthew Moore
Trad climber
davis, ca.
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
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"Robbing banks is wrong. Should we sanction those who rob banks because they are poor, and REALLY need the money?"
Sorry Cragman, but analogies such as this make you irrelevant.
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Flanders!
Trad climber
June Lake, CA
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:20pm PT
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hey I object ! I don't suck (do I?)
Doug
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:31pm PT
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Homosexuality is simply sin, no different than any other sin, and it needs to be confronted, just like any other sin. To put your spin on it and tell me I am homophobic or bigoted, is to deny sin.
Well, banging your wife before you're married is a sin also, is it not?
We don't deny pre-banging couples the right to marry.
If sinners can't get married, then there would be no marriage.
We're all sinners right?
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:33pm PT
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It's not the supposed sin that's getting bound in marriage, it's the love that two people have for one another.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:34pm PT
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Homosexuality is simply sin
This from the same source that told us women were property, that enslaving blacks was fine because they weren't really human anyway, that interracial marriage shouldn't be permitted...
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Binks
Social climber
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:36pm PT
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Sin means "separation from God". If it does not separate you from God, it isn't a sin. If it's on somebody's list as an official "sin" it's probably just an opinion, or in the category of "this is usually a sin". If you look at the 10 Commandments, not a single one of those is always, under all conceivable circumstances, a sin. For instance, killing is a sin, but not if you are defending your family. Adultery is a sin, but what if it's forced? There is always an exception, which is why the original meaning of "sin" simply as an act that separates you from God is the most important.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:39pm PT
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There is always an exception, which is why the original meaning of "sin" simply as an act that separates you from God is the most important.
In which case god-worshiping christian gays should be allowed to marry, but gays who allow their sex acts to separate them from god should not.
Man, that'd be a tough one to enforce...
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franky
climber
Davis, CA
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:41pm PT
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If the bible defines your code of conduct, than being gay is wrong i guess (I've been told)... along with not stoning your daughter if she has premarital sex (I've also been told). Nobody I know takes the bible entirely literally. What rules are followed, and what rules are not, change with the times. In 50 years, the homosexuality stuff will be ignored just like the stoning women stuff is ignored now, I think.
If the bible does not define your code of conduct, then it is tough to see anything inherently wrong or damaging about two men or two women getting married. It might not be my cup of tea, but there are no victims. In fact, there are just two happier people.
In the Tiger Woods case, he endangered the physical health of his wife, who he swore he loved more than anyone else, in addition to causing her extreme mental and emotional trauma. Who knows how it will effect their children, sure won't be good though.
That's my opinion.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:42pm PT
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Should atheists be banned from getting married?
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Matthew Moore
Trad climber
davis, ca.
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Jan 21, 2010 - 01:48pm PT
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Cragman...
The USA is not a theocracy.
Your objections to gay equality are not supported by Constitutional law.
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