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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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It's ok, MH. Most of us Americans are commies too. What you fail to recognize is that people like bluering insist on loving America but declaring that the vast majority of Americans are in fact "unamerican" for not subscribing to his hard right jingoistic worldview.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I was wondering that myself. Isn't "red" another word for commie? Does that mean Republicans are commies? And the "blue" thing - are all Democrats true blue?
Put me down with the purples, eh?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2010 - 11:20am PT
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why am I cheap too???
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2010 - 12:07pm PT
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Dr. F, you can't even use your own material? You have to quote some BS from another, more witty, poster?
Weak....
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Because it has been said to you before and you blue it off. It's just a reminder..
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2010 - 12:22pm PT
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Do you deny an active communist party at work in the U.S.? Some of whom are at high levels of gov't?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2010 - 12:51pm PT
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This day reminds me of America's ideals that millions have given their lives to uphold; You have the right to be a communist in this country. Not sure why anyone would want to be a commie but I support your right to be one never the less.
Andy, I do agree with freedom to hold communistic views. The problem I have is it's advocated to change our system of governing the country. Many 'useful idiots' as they were called thought it sounded like a great idea too. The concept is appealing to many. The problem is it is NEVER implemented they way people thought.
It NEVER has worked in the interest of freedom or prosperity. Me, I like freedom and prosperity, and despise oppression and loss of individual liberty.
That is why I crusade against commies. See you at the Facelift!
EDIT: I believe it's pretty well documented that McCarthy was onto something in his commie-hunt BITD.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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I like freedom and prosperity, and despise oppression and loss of individual liberty . . . I believe it's pretty well documented that McCarthy was onto something in his commie-hunt BITD.
No cognitive dissonance there?
I crusade against commies.
Do you wear a cape?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2010 - 04:20pm PT
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As is typical in conspiracies and counter-culture activity, it easiest to marginalize people, to call them paranoid.
Sometimes they're right, Johnson.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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COMMUNISTS R US!!!!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I believe it's pretty well documented that McCarthy was onto something in his commie-hunt BITD
Whatever one thinks of communism, it is hard to view Joseph McCarthy as anything other than either a paranoid madman or a gold-digging witch hunter. His accusations are in the classic mold of political/religious persecution illustrated countless times throughout history. If you can demonize a word, and get that demonization accepted by the masses, you're in a position to destroy anyone you wish.
Don't like Bluering? Then just accuse him of being a commie (jew, homosexual, aristocrat, witch, catholic, tutu, hutsi, whatever...) and there's no need to prove anything. And no defense is possible. Kind of like the old British military court system: "He's bound to be guilty or he wouldn't be here."
So, just what documentation shows that Senator McCarthy was "on to something"? And just what was he "on to"? That some American citizens were believers in communism? I'm not an American, but I believe the constitution of the United States of America is pretty clear about the right of citizens to believe in what they choose, and to speak publicly about those beliefs.
Could be I'm wrong, and I'll certainly listen to what you have to say, but it seems to me that Senator McCarthy was an alcoholic madman who saw a chance to grab the spotlight, and didn't care that grabbing it had an enormous cost to the nation and its citizens.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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McCarthy had the Big Lie mastered and then some. But there was just a tiny kernel of truth in what he said. Communism did exist, and did threaten the US, and there were a few - very few - Americans who actually were Communists. Just enough for McCarthy and his supporters to hang their hats on. One of those supporters being Richard Nixon, who made his career as a red-baiter.
It was all grotesquely exaggerated by McCarthy, and the real internal threat to the US was not great. The Russians, for example, would soon enough have developed atomic and thermonuclear weapons, with or without leaks from a few spies. And their missile program was mostly home grown.
Witch-hunts are sadly nothing new in the US, particularly in combination with nativist zeal.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Witch-hunts are sadly nothing new in the US, particularly in combination with nativist zeal.
Your anti-Americanism is showing, Anders. There are a lot of places where witch hunts are a lot more common and more devastating than they've ever been in the US. Which is not to say that McCarthy and his cronies don't deserve to be resoundingly condemned, but come on, you make it sound like the US is the witch hunt capital of the universe. Your grasp of history is better than that.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I didn't say anything about other countries - we're discussing mostly the US. You rightly pointed out that witch-hunts are common to humanity, and I didn't have anything to add.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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bluering said As is typical in conspiracies and counter-culture activity, it easiest to marginalize people, to call them paranoid.
More irony in this thread.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2010 - 01:25am PT
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So, just what documentation shows that Senator McCarthy was "on to something"? And just what was he "on to"?
Funny, the Canadians chime in.....
Here ya go love!!!!
http://www.rense.com/politics6/mc.htm
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2010 - 01:34am PT
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Don't make me come over there, Locker....
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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If McCarthy was "on to something" then why did democracy persist after he was disgraced and his hearings ended? McCarthy failed and yet we are not a communist state and the communist party in this country is basically non-existent. The proof is in the pudding.
Also, you're supporting someone who literally persecuted people for their beliefs? You don't see the irony (and hypocrisy) there? Using government power to literally blacklist people and pressure others into not dealing with them based on their alleged ideology and potential association at any length with people? You talk of tyranny for providing health care to those who cannot get it and yet you defend this man?
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jstan
climber
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I am going to repeat something I said earlier. Nations die when citizens are no longer able to reason together. If I wanted to destroy the US right now I would dig up every dead horse and get everyone to spend all their energy beating them. There will be no resolution of any of this and frankly none is needed. If we don't act this way, if we try to avoid further polarization,and if we try very hard to talk reasonably and logically about the questions we must answer
won't we be far ahead?
This isn't entertainment.
We are at stake.
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