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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Apr 23, 2019 - 09:06am PT
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I couldn't even access my PB last time I tried because of having created the account with a now invalid email address.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 23, 2019 - 10:15am PT
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Tarbuster, you are doing a good job of rationally responding to this issue. Keep up the good work.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Apr 23, 2019 - 10:46am PT
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fear, I hope that they can set up a precedent that would make a life of all other people easier.
I do too but it's not legal precedent but rather a failure of the legal system being too complex and hence, costing so much. It's easy for the unwashed members of the trade to straight up try and rob small players, like SuperTopo, for cash settlements.
No matter how absurd or unbelievable the claim might be, being sued is still extremely mentally and financially taxing for honest victims. Just the process is obtuse and exhausting.
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Trump
climber
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Apr 23, 2019 - 10:56am PT
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Law and government and all that sucks - it’s just too complicated and expensive. It should be easier and cheaper than all this because in my mind I think it should be easier. Definitely not my fault for not actually factually understanding how complicated and difficult getting people to work together in a survival of the fittest environment is. The fault lies somewhere else. It should be easier. I say so. Just because reality demonstrates that it’s not easier doesn’t mean that I’m wrong.
I don’t know. I think y’all are doing it right, even by trying to place the blame somewhere else, on lawyers and the legal system, or Cmac, or wherever. We just might not be actually factually right about the stuff we teach ourselves to believe.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Apr 23, 2019 - 11:07am PT
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Law and government suck, but lawlessness also sucks. Go to Mogadishu if you want to experience the opposite.
What it comes down to is a small percentage of people suck, and because of their selfishness they don't care who they hurt or what they destroy. It can be seen here, it can be seen in the court systems, it will be experienced in the workplace or whatever tribe or microtribe you belong to. Sadly many people experience it in their own families to a greater or lesser extent.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 23, 2019 - 12:09pm PT
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"The following sites are great sources of copyright-free images:
Getty Open Content: Public domain art images from Getty collections."
Minimum charge for a download is $100 or so.
Posting brief excerpts of historical documents is perfectly legal. And written material/images that date back a century or more are generally copyright free. Thus there is no reason for deleting historical threads that conform to this standard.
But these kinds of threads may not draw younger climbers to this site.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 23, 2019 - 12:12pm PT
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Don Paul
Am I the only one who's having individual comments deleted? They were meant to be constructive. I'll keep my opinions to myself from now on about whether any of this is legal.
I noticed one in particular is gone because I read it and the link. I have not noticed any of mine gone. Just my uploads: good, bad, & questionable.
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A Essex
climber
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Apr 23, 2019 - 12:19pm PT
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Amen brother Trump, amen
da interwebs is sooo hards
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Apr 23, 2019 - 12:30pm PT
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Jesus f*#king Christ. Everything seems to be copyrighted; this is stupid. If I take a picture of my daughter in Disneyland can I show it to a friend or post it on Supertopo? Probably not, it might have some copyrighted image of Mickey in it.
So, if you take a picture of any employee of Disneyland, technically, you would need a signed release to post that photograph on line. Furthermore, since you would be on private property, it begs the question, who really does own the copyright?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Apr 23, 2019 - 12:38pm PT
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If you're not making money from your Disney photos I doubt the Disney lawyers would bother you. However, if they did, they'd likely request you simply remove the photos. The negative press of overzealous persecution of someone posting Walt's overhyped swampland would not be good for ticket sales.
So, they 'could' but most likely 'would not' bother you.
Now if you put Mickey on a tshirt and start selling them, you'd find yourself in court and a lot poorer very quickly.
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A Essex
climber
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Apr 23, 2019 - 01:01pm PT
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so many copyright lawyers on this little site!
I had no idea!
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Steve Rathbun
climber
Outer Lurkistan
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Apr 23, 2019 - 03:15pm PT
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But these kinds of threads may not draw younger climbers to this site.
I work with a bunch of younger climbers and you can trust me when I tell you they've never heard of this site....
ok. Nap time.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Apr 23, 2019 - 03:20pm PT
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Mr. Rathbun said:
I work with a bunch of younger climbers and you can trust me when I tell you they've never heard of this site....
Thanks for the report from off the farm!
That's reassuring. So the newspaper stack, sans photos, dies with us. Berg heil!
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Apr 23, 2019 - 03:21pm PT
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Thanks, Roy. This does look like what I was hoping to see:
not once did John ever upload an image to this site. He simply hotlinked to images, and those links remain intact.
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johntp
Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
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Apr 23, 2019 - 05:41pm PT
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Jesus f*#king Christ. Everything seems to be copyrighted
Yup. Most manufacturer's have copyrighted their logos. So does this mean if one posts a photo wearing a TNF, MHW or Patagonia jacket, a TNF, MHW tent, ad naseum for any product/photo that shows a logo, the photo is non-compliant and will be deleted?
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Apr 23, 2019 - 05:47pm PT
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The Ahwahnee, even though the Ahwahneechee should “own” that....Curry Village, Wawona...on and on. Bridwell use to almost always at some point on our trips would remark, “kill all the lawyers” of course he gave proper credit to Shakespeare for that. Ownership is an interesting subject with the Indigenous people....do you really OWN anything? Food for thought. And I mean no insult to my buddies here that practice law, I respect your minds and practices.
Peace
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johntp
Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
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Apr 23, 2019 - 06:08pm PT
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I'm all for complying with forum rules to keep it alive and support CMac.
The forum has been neutered and stripped of most of the historical content. I don't know if the deleted content violated copyright law or not. Just seems this is no longer a "campfire" where folks could share thoughts and photos. People get banned, photos and content get deleted apparently at random.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 23, 2019 - 06:12pm PT
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What a drama queen you are ....
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johntp
Trad climber
Punter, Little Rock
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Apr 23, 2019 - 06:16pm PT
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What a drama queen you are ....
I know, right?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 23, 2019 - 06:25pm PT
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Apr 23, 2019 - 12:09pm PT
"The following sites are great sources of copyright-free images:
Getty Open Content: Public domain art images from Getty collections."
Minimum charge for a download is $100 or so.
I wonder what the other sites mentioned charge?
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