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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Health care isn't a right or a necessity...Same with police and fire protection....privatize everything and let the free market determine the true cost of everything...
Not sure if this is a serious statement or not.
I use to think healthcare wasn't a right. Until I heard the argument about people in prison. If they are denied health care (say a medication they need to survive) they could die. So IMO reasonable access to health care is a right. I think that's what Obamacare got right. You still have to buy it, but it won't be more than a certain percent of your income. So theoretically everyone has access to it.
Government provides some things more efficiently than private industry and vice versa. When fire protection was private and someone didn't have access to it and their house burned down and then it spread to their neighbors, all down the road. It made a lot of sense to make sure everyone had it.
Same with Police and Schools. If the basics needs of society are taken care of the whole society is much more successful and things will be better. But of course private industry and capitalism is more efficient than govt. so it should take precedence whenever possible.
Like with the NASA commercial crew program. The govt. pays for it, but having competition among private companies has increase efficiency and innovation a huge amount.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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70 million Americans do not have any monthly healthcare payment yet have pretty good insurance
Medicaid and CHIP programs for the poorest citizens
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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the fet...i was being sarcastic...as usual...of course everyone should have access to health care...Like Alexandria cortez said " the conservatives throw up a road block and ask how will it be payed for but whenever 10 more F-35's are ordered they don't ask how it will be payed for...
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WBraun
climber
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The only certified health care for forum politards is electroshock ......
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Who's going to pay for it...?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Thanks for clarifying RJ.
The US health care system shows that free market systems aren't always the most efficient. We pay way more for health care (as a % of GDP) than comparable nations/health care. It's going to be a major factor in making the US less competitive vs. the rest of the world.
WBraun complaining about "forum poli..." is like Fox News complaining about mainstream media.
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WBraun
climber
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No one is complaining, maybe you are.
Your health care will always end up being electroshock ....
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Who's going to pay for it...?
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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The only certified health care for forum politards is electroshock ......
Preferably from solar, wave or wind-powered electric - just for irony's sake.
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WBraun
climber
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No ..... from their electronic politard media.
Without it, they have no life.
Just see as the biggest forum fool politard N (above) showed up right after my diagnosis to prove it ....
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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I never thought about electronic shock as bad therapy.
Hoh, Man - I should get off the computer!
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WBraun
climber
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LOL, .... good one .....
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Trump’s gonna be doing a national broadcast touting the ‘Humanitarian and Security crisis on our Southern Border’ (as if he has a clue what ‘humanitarian’ actually means). That will be followed by a trip to the border on Thursday to really get the media on him.
Desperate measures. Meanwhile, lots of House Repubs aren’t so sure they can explain Trump’s prolonged shutdown to their constituents much longer.
What Trump needs is a good ‘ol Trump-created crisis to change the channel. Any bets on what it will be?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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It's been a long day, but I think this letter to the editor, from an Idaho farmer, who lives just south of Yellowstone, nearly reads like poetry.
Let me assure you, not all Idaho farmers are this introspective.
My farming friends in St. Anthony still think Trump has this figured out — that he has a secret plan to bring China to its knees and generate more grain exports and better prices. I hope they’re right, but quietly wonder if they will ever wake up and smell the coffee.
The only victory the president can claim on the farm front, as I see it, is that Americans are drinking more — and who wouldn’t drink, given where we are? — which has kept barley prices from tumbling even further.
It wasn’t always this way. I came of age politically in the early 1960s, and when I wasn’t trailing sheep or moving sprinkler pipes, I would drive into Teton to weed and prune my grandmother’s flower garden. My grandfather, a former state legislator and local agricultural titan, had many political visitors then — people who wanted his advice and a campaign contribution — and I was a willing audience.
Many afternoons were spent listening to the likes of Len Jordan, Henry Dworshak, Governor Smylie and, incredibly, the young Democrat Frank Church, talk about Congress (not themselves) and what the country needed. It was heady stuff for a farm kid who read the newspapers and had a letter from President Kennedy pinned to his wall.
Most of us were solid Republicans back then. We worked hard and helped the neighbors when help was needed. “Take your hands out of your pockets,” my grandfather would say, “and if you don’t have anything to do, pick up a shovel, dig a hole and then fill it in.” If we did not carry ourselves the way we should, it was not because we were Republican or Democrat, it was because we didn’t live up to the common responsibilities that bound us together as families and friends, as small communities struggling to survive in what was once sagebrush desert.
The tears in the social fabric were of our own making, as we saw it, and it was our responsibility to mend them. You were either conscious of a greater good or you were not. You could choose to be active within the community — the larger world that is the perspective for everything you do, as my grandmother would say — or you could choose to stay on the sidelines and look after your own interests. The callow, bitter days of 24/7 cable news and anonymous internet propaganda were yet to come. Virtue was an individual act. We were all in it together.
I think about those days often. Part of it is age, but a bigger part of it comes from the fact that we are letting go of something important. If this comes across as a rebuke of MAGA-inspired nostalgia, it is. No one can roll back history to create a better America, no matter how big the lie or gullible the audience. Any honest history book will tell you that. Our constitutional democracy is not an idyllic photograph, it is a continuum — a sometimes ugly, gut-wrenching, bloody and dispiriting continuum — but a continuum nonetheless. That it still exists 250 years after its founding is not a reflection of our inherent greatness; it is because of those accidental moments when events conspired to force us to find clarity, inspiration and hope — what Lincoln called “our better angels” — things like the Civil War, the Depression, the defeat of the Axis powers, the space program, the Kennedy assassination, the fall of the Berlin Wall and, yes, the election of a black president.
Wheat prices won’t be rebounding anytime soon, but I remain optimistic. While no single event in our complicated history can ever fully define us, all of them taken together can help us fasten on to the only thread that has ever sustained us: our capacity to become better, more thoughtful citizens.
Douglas Siddoway raises wheat, malt barley and mustard seed on his and his wife’s farm in Squirrel, Idaho, near Ashton.
Read more here: https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/readers-opinion/article223889355.html?fbclid=IwAR2HVdxPUvHbuBe2YnFtNB2DPu2acYW_U2XmlP7a7Z7P4Z6xComf3v1gHzI#storylink=cpy
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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^ ^ ^ ^ AntiXma, Wingnut: figure it out, be nice or no doubt that mark of irreverence, your 'Stigmata', has/have you singled out - the ban-hammer awaits you.
The real shame is that now that Confuseddwain is all grown up; 65 years old. So, old enough to beg off the government *teet, IT is closed.
(*that he has paid into for all these years mind you, that is his money not 'ours')
*IT is closed, a government shut-down, thanx to our national black eye.
Oh the irony, how that pussy grabber & thief is working out so good for that number one fan-boi, CosmicCan'Tclimb
circling the drain indeed...
( as I understand it it is better to wait to claim anyway )
T'waz told & foretold now it too is locked, going off half-cocked, led to a misfire Ron Ronregreze or whatever it was,
it was what it was & played the anti-semite card, got called out for it by one @ least - so is gone but so to is this thread.
See you all In Alexandria?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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There's some concern in that when a president declares a National Emergency, it triggers other measures that president can take.
I don't know much about this, so won't go further into the potential actions that could come into play, but it was fairly concerning to me, and also raised a fear that as far along as Mueller has come, Putin may very well be watching his approach in his rearview and scoffing "Eat my dust, motherfker."
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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A quote from a prison nurse in Florida who is now working without pay. It says it all...
The shutdown on top of the hurricane has caused Ms. Minton to rethink a lot of things.
“I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” she said of Mr. Trump. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/florida-government-shutdown-marianna.html
'He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting". Sad.
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Atlas Shrub: We will fly to Shanghai-la were we have built, with our own bare hands, all the infrastructure that a small community, such as ours, needs---roads, water delivery system, sewage treatment, oil refinery, power plant, mining, smelting, forging, tooling, engineering, manufacturing, food production and processing, coffee, sugar, booze, tobacco, weapons et al. And we are fully self sufficient and don't need anyone's help. Pretty cool, huh?
What BS. Industry has always needed its' workers (slaves) to produce its' widgets.
Until now. AI, robots and automation is replacing the need for human workers. You are obsolete and will not be entitled to survive. Unless you can come up with a new software app. Obama's solution to unemployment. Or your hired to build a Wall of shame to keep out people that haven't anything better to do. Bitter Irony.
Utopia w/o Oil. Not going to happen. Burn Baby, Burn.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Moose, here's what I interpreted.
His first part was a summary of the solution pursued by the captains of industry in Atlas Shrugged. The title of the book captures the basic plot- Atlas (the smart hard-working producers), thanklessly supporting the world, decides to shrug and abdicate that responsibility. This has been taken up as a metaphor by some Republican/Tea Party types as in "we are not going to support welfare and our fellow needy citizens". It is an embrace of the idea that need is not a virtue to be rewarded at the expense of other hard-working smart folks (and it has an embedded assumption that those who can't meet their needs are lazy and undeserving).
Then he clarified that the idea was an impractical fantasy because the captains of industry don't live in a vacuum, and rely on people to do the work... and went on to indicate how it is actually more of a possibility now with the increasing presence of AI and automation technology. And that requires power to keep making it happen.
So overall maybe a mix of rebuking those embracing the Ayn Rand Atlas-Shrugged mentality, and a warning of how it is a real risk for the future, and how we are going to keep consuming oil until it runs out?
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