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Fritz
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Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2018 - 07:44pm PT
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I took the last two days off & had an Idaho adventure hiking to some high-mountain mines:
Thanks all, for posting the various reasons why Trump & his minions are bad for our economy.
And after that respite! I still see: The Trumpian blusterers ain't shist.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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The economic lesson, in this video, is leave your car doors unlocked, as shown here at Lake Tahoe. The alternative might be massive damage. That happens all the time in San Francisco, these days, when human bears see a snack inside. The general rule is don't leave anything in the car, and leave the doors unlocked (I swear, that is a thing in SF these days).
[Click to View YouTube Video]
The "Trump of Parhump" has lost his brothel license, and his fellow Republicans are anxious to distance themselves from him.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Nevada-pimp-Assembly-candidate-loses-brothel-13141130.php#photo-15985482
I don't know how an accelerating ban on prostitution will affect the economy.
It's not my thing.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Trump really doesn’t do much except follow marching orders from McConnell, right wing think tanks, and whatever he sees in a particular day on Fox & Friends and Sean Hannity.
Reagan and Clinton both talked to Independent Counsels without drama.
Trump’s lawyers fear it because he can’t speak a paragraph without lying.
What is going down right now will hurt the country for a generation, if not permanently. Presidents are not Kings, and Congress is supposed to be an independent branch of government. Between private briefings from the house intel committee and the massive act of vilifying the Special Council, which would be impossible without Fox News, we are seeing the imperial presidency, albeit one who is a 70 something child who tweets daily tantrums.
The conservative bastion George Will said this:
“The American people decided to treat the presidency as an entry level political position. This is what they get.”
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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“The American people decided to treat the presidency as an entry level political position. This is what they get.”
George Will is a voice of reason, in the current storm of insanity. I don't agree with his politics, but I admire that he is truthful, forthright, generally correct in his logic, and is staid and composed in his delivery.
George Will is, truly, the sort of person that you can discuss things with, and agree to disagree, and at the end retain admiration for him. Alex Jones is not like that.
One analogy might be a cancer patient in distress who abandons medical science in favor of "Karmic healing" that comprises paying all his money to a Svengali charlatan, to "rid oneself of toxic liquidity".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Mystery_House
Life, in general, is weird. But, the past two years have been really weird.
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john hansen
climber
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Hey Fritz, I just finished that book "Over the Edge of the World"
I thought it was very good. That was one hell of a trip..
Both the audacity and arrogance of man laid bare.
Great read.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Fritz..." took the last 2 days off "...? From what...? I thought you were retired...Bailing hay and planting corn...?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Damn. Tom, and here I’ve been making fun of La Femme making me put that stoopid Ring in.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2018 - 09:34pm PT
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Dear ST friends! I am retired from working as an outdoor retail sales rep. Otherwise I keep working on the ranchette & at dealing with those who are WRONG on the internet.
john hansen! Re your post:
Hey Fritz, I just finished that book "Over the Edge of the World"
As you can tell from the photo, I'm about 1/3 of the way through & the expedition just made it to Guam.
I kinda, sorta, thought I knew about the Magellan adventure, but this book makes it very interesting & I really didn't know schist about that epic sufferfest.
It makes me want to quote a quote!
Those who don't read & remember the philosopher George Santayana (1863 -1952) are doomed to misquote him on the subject of history:
Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
This famous statement has produced many paraphrases and variants: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.
Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them.
Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.
I must argue that Trump & his minions have no appreciation, or knowledge of history.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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Almost all countries on earth do not issue refugee status to American but I just find out that Europeans start providing political refugee status to Americans after Trump
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2018 - 09:45pm PT
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Jody! Thank you again, for helping me to prove my points about the lack of knowledge & general mindlessness, of you right-wing Trumpites!
Per your mindless spew!
Aug 8, 2018 - 09:35pm PT
Newsflash Judy: Fox news, AM radio, etc. ARE MEDIA.
So you admit it?! You haven't given them credit for being media until now.
Newsflash cowardlycowboy, where are CNN, CBS, NBC, NPR, MSNBC, CNBC, ABC on this? They are the onmes YOU consider to be fair and balanced media.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
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Those who don't read & remember the philosopher George Santayana (1863 -1952) are doomed to misquote him on the subject of history:
Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
This famous statement has produced many paraphrases and variants:
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.
Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them.
Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.
I must argue that Trump & his minions have no appreciation, or knowledge of history.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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The tone is from the top down.
I must argue that Trump & his minions have no appreciation, or knowledge of history.
My understanding is that Trump and his minions are intentionally seeking to erase history, and seeking to erase it from universal memory, because it works in their favor.
This is exactly what George Orwell taught us to beware of, in his book 1984.
Trump doesn't behave stupidly. It's intentional. He expects his recipients to be stupid.
What'll it take, to get you into this little-old-lady Lambo today, right now? She only drove it to church on Sunday, and never got-er outta first gear.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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I must argue that Trump & his minions have no appreciation, or knowledge of history.
Well as a modestly credentialed historian (BA American History; MA History-- among others), I argue that the TDR crowd has no appreciation for how morally bankrupt the presidency often is. Is this an "ordinary" presidency? No. But it's not too far off the rails--especially when compared to Jackson, Van Buren, Taylor, Buchanan, Grant, Hayes, TR, Wilson, Cal, LBJ, Nixon, or even Clinton and GWB. Not saying these were necessarily bad men--but they had their detractors. Many who were rather unhinged. Like you?
In fact, historical perspective is what far too many Trump-haters lack. IMO, of course.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
But, what about . . . . ?
The main issue here is that Trump became president with the assistance of a foreign, hostile government. And, now that he's Center Stage, all his previous activity is about to be opened up, for the world to see.
A mastermind criminal does not suddenly want to have his entire past history exposed to public scrutiny. That defect in Trump's behavior is what will send him down.
But, it's great for the nation. MAGA.
how many provisional ballots in ohio are not going to be counted?
I'm expecting a Gerrymandered 12th district in Ohio to have engaged in some nefarious simple-math shenanigans. John Kasich, the governor there, does not seem to be a person who is willing to allow such things. Kasich does not worship at the false cult of Trump.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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He’s done a lot of stoopid sh!t. And he’s done a lot of good. He’s called BS on the Chinese and their currency manipulation. He’s called BS on the Iran deal. He’s talked to the N Koreans. He’s pissed off the whiny hypocritical Euros. Oh, and he’s given y’all something to do.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2018 - 10:17pm PT
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Lituya! Thank you for a sane post! It is much appreciated.
While I was getting my Fox-News fix today, I was somewhat amazed to hear them ripping on ex-Trump campaign manager Manafort & ex Trump advisor Rick Gates, as "a big part of the Washington DC Swamp."
In June 2016, when Donald Trump promoted Manafort to the post of campaign manager, Gates went to work for and became the campaign's number two, handling the day-to-day activities of the campaign including taking responsibility for apparent plagiarism in Melania Trump's speech at the Republican National Convention. Gates stayed on as number two in the campaign under Steve Bannon after Manafort was forced out, and then went to work as deputy chairman of the Donald Trump Inaugural Committee. He helped to form a pro-Trump nonprofit group called America First Policies but was removed from the organization after his involvement with Manafort's overseas ventures was exposed. Wikipedia
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/manafort-trial-takeaways-day-seven/index.html
It does strongly appear, both those one-time Trump insiders are going to jail.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jody, you're the best.
You understand that much, here, is just entertainment.
But, on a more serious note, how can you reconcile all the criminal indictments and trials and jailing of Trump's people with an idea that he is Great?
Trump denies that Russia and Putin are attacking us.
I don't get it.
Educate me, Jody.
Tell me how it makes good, logical sense that America should be in bed with Russia, when they are attacking us.
The weirdest thing, in my life, is that the Republicans who used to hate Russia are now wanting to be best friends with Russia. And, there is no benefit to Americans, except, maybe, some Big Money Americans who have access to free and easy and dirty Russian money.
#SAD
It appears that an American addiction to money will be its downfall. Addiction to drugs, a common theme, is not the problem. The bigger problem is an addiction to money. Cocaine on Wall Street is a confluence of both problems, but the driving force is an addiction to money, and not an addiction to cocaine. The cocaine use on Wall Street is in furtherance of satiating money addictions.
Gaining money, and firing on all 12 cylinders of the pleasure centers of the brain, is just like a drug.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Right there.
There is a terrible idiocy infecting our society that money makes the man, and that money is the true measure of success.
Money is just the working fluid, like air through a gas turbine, that enables the economic machine to work.
I think that an analog of the Carnot Cycle looks about like this:
INTAKE: money is taken into an economic machine during an isoprofit investment process.
COMPRESSION: the money is compressed during an isomonetary labor process.
IGNITION: the money is expanded in an isoprofit extraction process.
EXHAUST: the money is exhausted in an isomonetary payroll process.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Tom- The weirdest thing, in my life, is that the Republicans who used to hate Russia are now wanting to be best friends with Russia. And, there is no benefit to Americans, except, maybe, some Big Money Americans who have access to free and easy and dirty Russian money. This baffled me as well. Early on I assumed the establishment Republicans and the Skull and Crossbones crowd would use Trump for tax cuts, judicial nominees and Supreme Court justices and then employ some sort of sleazy exit plan.
Not only have they not distanced themselves as the Russia probe intensifies, they've doubled down on their attacks on the probe and circled the wagons around Trump.
This is very complicated but the short version is this:
Obama was a warning sign to right wing ideologues, predatory corporations and racist. A popular black technocrat who, with the Paris Accord, Obamacare and a retraction from unilateral foreign policy, had slightly turned the rudder of our country towards a Western European style of governance. He was happy to get in line with other countries and thought that American Exceptionalism had only created wars and undue financial burdens through unnecessary deployments. The biggest fear here is the alignment with the European model of pragmatic policy making in terms of mandated green economies, severe regulation on industry, a robust social, safety net through taxation and an emphasis on human rights. There's pretty much something there for everyone to hate. The powers that be know that once workers have free things and have to work less they are nearly impossible to unwind. We are also programmed to support and defend the unfettered pursuit of wealth in this country (Citizens United, etc.).
So enter the Russins, Israel and the Sunni Nations. These are the clear winners if America moves away from Nato. A new alliance to stretch out the oil based economies as long as possible along with a cabal of countries willing to abuse human rights in the name of economic policy.
What's the common denominator? Like pre-world war II Germany- Corporations, conservative religious groups and a reactionary political faction have created an alliance to preserve what each element sees as preserving a way of life.
This is just an observation and I think Obama was mostly doing the right thing but a full blown Western European style of government is not a good fit here.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Why I waste time here is beyond me. Maybe it is because you fools are so entertaining.
Jody, you are more fun than Lois was..
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