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Tom
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San Luis Obispo CA
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Michael Cohen says he wants to dissolve his NDA with Stormy Daniels, and he wants a refund on his $130,000 Porno Payoff as part of the deal.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/politics/michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-deal/index.html
But, Trump is the ne plus ultra money addict of our time. Trump reimbursed Cohen - with some juice - for the Porno Payoff. So, in Trump's mind, the $130,000 belongs to him, not Cohen.
It is unlikely any refund will be forthcoming.
Daniels is under no obligation to accept Cohen's white flag of surrender. Her attorney, Michael Avenatti, says that unless he is allowed to depose Trump and Cohen under oath, there can be no peace.
Trump will do everything he can to avoid being deposed ("It's a trap!")
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EdwardT
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Retired
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Sep 7, 2018 - 10:21pm PT
He plead guilty to lying to the FBI. That's it.
Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to avoid being tried and convicted of more serious crimes.
That is how a plea bargain works. A defendant pleads to lesser charges in order to avoid legal exposure to more serious charges. Mueller has not revealed the original charges Papadopoulos was facing when became scared and pleaded guilty.
Paul Manafort's partner, Rick Gates, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud the U.S. and lying to investigators, with a maximum penalty of about five years in Federal prison. Gates was facing many of the same money laundering, hidden bank account, and tax evasion charges that will put Manafort in prison for the rest of his life. Gates' original charges are known, because he committed his crimes with Manafort, who chose to risk a jury trial.
Also, prosecutors will weigh a defendant's ability to provide evidence or testimony when offering a very favorable plea bargain. Michael Cohen's taxi business partner was facing a decade, or more, in Federal prison. His plea bargain promises him no jail time, at all, because he is willing to testify. Papadopoulos has already indicated he may testify against Jeff Sessions, and refute Sessions' earlier sworn statements before Congress regarding a proposed meeting between Trump and Putin during the election.
It is incorrect to say that Papadopoulos was only guilty of lying.
Just because you say so, doesn't make it true.
What "more serious" crimes did Papadopoulos avoid prosecution through his plea deal?
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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People make plea deals to avoid conviction on more serious crimes. You understand that, don’t you?
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Racism has nothing to do with voting Trump
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Just because you say it isn't so doesn't make it false, eh?
Trump and Papa trafficked young women for sex slavery.
Research it.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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This Russia thing, with Trump and Russia, is not a made-up story.
The original charges against Papadopoulos might be disclosed in the future. For now, Mueller isn't talking, because his investigation is still in progress.
That is how effective criminal investigations are conducted. Mueller would be an idiot to stalk his prey, and, right before the capture, scare it off by yelling, "I'M COMING TO GET YOU!"
Papadopoulos bragged to an Australian diplomat in London about having access to Russian 'dirt' on Clinton, and how he was in the position of getting the 'dirt' into the hands of the Trump campaign. The diplomat contacted the FBI, which then commenced its investigation into Russian election interference. Papadopoulos was their first target.
Mueller could have, easily, grouped Papadopoulos with Trump Jr., Kushner and Manafort in bringing conspiracy charges for the Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents promising 'dirt' on Clinton.
Planning with others to commit a crime constitutes criminal conspiracy. At a minimum, Papadopoulos could have faced charges of conspiracy for his role in procuring, and/or promoting, the Russian 'dirt'.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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The Lone Ranger and his organization's staff were minding their own business, when, suddenly, they were surrounded by Manhattan District Court Investigators.
Uh-Oh. It looks like we're in trouble now.
What do you mean "WE", rich man?
http://time.com/5390710/trump-organization-campaign-finance/
Nobody in the Trump Organization is going to "take a bullet" for the boss.
The paper trail of evidence will be readily available, highly compelling, irrefutable, and corroborated by witnesses who produced the fraudulent documents. It will not take two years to investigate and prosecute this "witch hunt".
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monolith
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state of being
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Finally, a snopes article the contards won't whine about.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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proud of yourself honey boo?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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This Russia thing, with Trump and Russia, is not a made-up story.
You keep saying that, but none of Mueller's charges (to date) support that story.
The original charges against Papadopoulos might be disclosed in the future. For now, Mueller isn't talking, because his investigation is still in progress.
That is how effective criminal investigations are conducted. Mueller would be an idiot to stalk his prey, and, right before the capture, scare it off by yelling, "I'M COMING TO GET YOU!"
Papadopoulos bragged to an Australian diplomat in London about having access to Russian 'dirt' on Clinton, and how he was in the position of getting the 'dirt' into the hands of the Trump campaign. The diplomat contacted the FBI, which then commenced its investigation into Russian election interference. Papadopoulos was their first target.
Mueller could have, easily, grouped Papadopoulos with Trump Jr., Kushner and Manafort in bringing conspiracy charges for the Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents promising 'dirt' on Clinton.
Planning with others to commit a crime constitutes criminal conspiracy. At a minimum, Papadopoulos could have faced charges of conspiracy for his role in procuring, and/or promoting, the Russian 'dirt'.
All of the charges against Papadopoulos are public record. They were numerous examples of lying to the FBI and one charge of obstructing the investigation, which resulted from his lying. There was no mention of "illegally" obtaining Russian dirt.
Many plea deals are done to avoid a trial. The prosecutor offers leniency in exchange for skipping a trial and defendant cooperation.
My guess is Papadopoulos knew he was busted, so he agreed to plea out and offered full support in exchange for a light sentence.
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What's your excuse Norton?
He's pretty shameless about his lies.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Emo for the Trumpflakes ,lol.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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None of Mueller's charges (to date) support that story. IOW no one on Trump's team has been charged with a crime related to campaign interactions with Russians.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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no none on Trump's team has been charged with a crime related to interactions with Russians.
Trump aid Papadopoulos has now plead guilty and has been sentenced, he had made at least six attempts to set up a meeting between the Trump campaign and Russian representatives throughout the course of the 2016 presidential campaign, using a London-based professor named Joseph Mifsud and a female Russian national as conduits.
Michael Flynn(Trump's former National Security Advisor) - On December 1, 2017, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his conversations last December with Russia's ambassador to the US at the time, Sergey Kislyak.
The above is just "so far" as Robert Mueller is far from being done....
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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If Manafort had any damning info, do you think we would've already used it to avoid life in prison?
Flynn and Papadopolous have been convicted of lying to the Feds. Nothing more.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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If Manafort had any damning info, do you think we would've already used it to avoid life in prison?
What are you trying to say, if anything?
Pardon me.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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According to new reports, Trump has spent around $77 million in American citizens’ money playing golf. This includes over $300,000 for domestic golf cart rentals. According to the NBC News tracker, Trump has spent 196 days on “Trump Properties,” and 153 on “Golf properties.” In his first 595 days as president.
He’s spent 72 days at Mar-a-Lago, 14 days at Trump International Hotel Washington, DC, 8 days at Trump Tower, and a luxurious day at Trump International Hotel Waikiki. And his golf course visits include 67 days at Trump National Bedminster, 42 days at Trump International West Palm, 39 days at Trump National Potomac Falls, and 2 days at Trump National Jupiter.
This investigation is gonna reveal way more than dipshits like you can grasp.
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