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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 10:41am PT
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see how crazy these fool atheists are...
The disgrace is we can't even have a thoughtful discourse on these subjects because of the Trumpian mindsets - incl their jr high language - that have taken over so much of the public internet. Guys like Huxley and Darwin would be ashamed to see the intellectual thought in these areas (eg theology) amount to this kind of thread content 100-plus years after their deaths. So proud!
Word of the day: disingenuous
You must think these phrases of yours are cute or effective?
I got news for you: One man's "proselytizing" is another's persuasion. The latter's a key necessary component in maintenance of a smart, educated, responsible democracy.
With all due respect, you are a monkey wrench in the wheels. Not that much unlike WB.
You've cited Carl Sagan in past posts. You think he'd respect what you write? I do not.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 10:47am PT
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Darwin was a fool too.
He left out the evolution of the living entity itself as he was clueless to the life force itself .....
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jun 12, 2017 - 10:53am PT
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HFCS, Yes, I do think that considering the faults of indulgence in incivility and logical fallacies is worthwhile, whether yours or mine.
I'm so happy you think I'm cute! It supports my fragile ego. ;-)
I believe you would be suprised what Darwin, Newton, Einstein, Oppenheimer and others would have to say about your musing...
Trumpian mindsets? Really? Can you name the logical fallacy?
I ain't special. I ain't that smart. But, I am straight up and I can smell bullshit when it's put under my nose.
And, be clear, being congruent with a man's particular argument isn't congruence with a man's every argument. Can you name the logical fallacy that was alluded to by HFCS here?
I don't know a whole bunch of things, but if I had a choice to make for who to have around for if the sh#t went down and for good company or for who would be willing to pitch in to get stuff done that helps others, it would be Werner. He's the real deal. I don't require my friends to believe like me. My friends are people who show up and make themselves useful for others like Werner.
I know the details of the science and even do genetic counseling. And, Werner has said something with a deep wisdom right here...
He left out the evolution of the living entity itself as he was clueless to the life force itself ..
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WBraun
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Jun 12, 2017 - 10:55am PT
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Don't worry Fruit man.
Darwins consciousness will come out of the grave and reestablish your mechanistic only (no spiritual soul) consciousness as defacto standard western materialism brainwashing.
You'll be safe again in your numbers .....
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John M
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 11:09am PT
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Some of you are just arguing words without attempting to find meaning. Why do some say atheism is like a religion? Because atheist treat their non belief just like many religious people treat their belief. They pound you over the head with it. A prime example is limpingcrabs thread stating his beliefs. Instead of just saying.. hey.. thanks for sharing, the atheist had to chime in and say.. Its all fairy tales. They abuse their non belief just as some religious people abuse their belief. Like the guy with the sign saying.. John 3:16. Out and proud. Does that make it a religion? By definition, most likely not, though Ed pointed out one definition of religion that would allow it. But isn't the effect the same? Every single time I say.. "I believe in God", giving my point of view, there is someone who follows me by saying its a fairy tale. Thats not persuasion. That proselytizing. Some atheist are no different in their actions then the religious who pound it down your throat. That is what is meant by those who say atheism has become a religion. Some of its members act just like the thing that they hate.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 12, 2017 - 11:25am PT
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The very definition of God needs to be defined before you speak with someone. Especially if they are only educated in one religion.
It could be one of many dieties to watch out for and respect.
It could be this vengeful disciplinarian as in the Old Testament.
It could be Jesus the healer if you are into the New Testament.
It could be a fairy tale if you are an Aethest.
Or it could be just another big being at work holding the universe together.
The proof would be can you exchange communication with it.
You can communicate with a human, a dog, a horse, etc. How about a planet, a star or a galaxy? It could be postulated that all matter that is animated is animated by a life force. Proof: A dead body.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 11:30am PT
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Oh those "abusing" "proselytizing" "atheists"! they're so "shrill" and "militant" with their pens!
"I commend the bravery of women like Sarah Haider for being the public face of ex muslims. Liberals need to wake up quickly to the dangers of Islam. As an ex muslim it f*#king frustrates me to see liberals tip toeing around the issue, allowing far right wingers to capitalise on the issue and being complicit in the brutal violence and oppression enforced by islam. This is a generational issue aand the longer we delay it the harder it becomes to combat." -johannes
https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/leaving-islam
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Jun 12, 2017 - 11:35am PT
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"I'll take logical fallacies for 400, Alex."
Oh, and, once more just for fun - word of the day: disingenuous
Here's my stand, when you turn good science into a bad religion and try to proselytize - using emotional and fallacious arguments - hoping people will repent and believe just as you do, you undermine the integrity of the very science you profess to love.
IMHO ;-)
I love science through and through and that's the reason I want you to stop it!
JohnM, Thank you. The post above was well put.
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John M
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 11:39am PT
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Thank you for making my point HFCS. I can usually count on you.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 11:44am PT
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the brutal violence and oppression enforced by islam.
You believe everything you're always fed
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 12, 2017 - 11:58am PT
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John M, you are absolutely correct that many atheists, along with a large number of religious people, are guilty of prostelytizing. Interestingly, nearly 100% of people on this thread, regardless of their beliefs, are guilty of prostelytizing.
Can anyone say that anyone here has modified their belief's because they have been convinced by arguments on this thread....I doubt it.
i am very content with my atheism but will never try to convince others to follow suit. Beliefs, when it comes to religion and politics, are very rarely changed by any kind of arguments...logical or otherwise.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 12, 2017 - 12:00pm PT
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Just see how crazy these fool atheists are.
Now they are defending their beliefs after telling others their beliefs are not evidence based on their so called science/
LOL, just can't get any more ridiculous .......
Look in the mirror, it does get more ridiculous.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
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I looked in the mirror and only saw YOU ......lol
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 12, 2017 - 12:08pm PT
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"Thats not persuasion. That proselytizing. Some atheist are no different in their actions then the religious who pound it down your throat. That is what is meant by those who say atheism has become a religion. Some of its members act just like the thing that they hate."
I could less what someone believe or thinks, the burden of proof still lies on the soft shoulders of someone like Werner, nothing but insults and jibber jabber out of the likes of him.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 12, 2017 - 12:18pm PT
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"I looked in the mirror and only saw YOU ......lol"
Lucky you.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Jun 12, 2017 - 02:43pm PT
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On Blathering Winds I Must Ride
I wear this proselytizing shroud
Like a burlap sack 'round the remains
Of a fossilized ipseity
Hypocritically bleached by stains
Of piety where once was housed
My shrunken head and narrow brains
Beseeched by those who knew me well
Not to frequent these alleys of living hell
With such heresy or impiety
That I am want to retch or spew
But still find I am often prone to do
-bushman
06/12/2017
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jun 12, 2017 - 03:16pm PT
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Some of you are just arguing words without attempting to find meaning. Why do some say atheism is like a religion? Because atheist treat their non belief just like many religious people treat their belief. They pound you over the head with it
So if I'm a self-described atheist and I pound my belief that we should generally listen to what Science tells us, for instance that smoking causes cancer, global warming is caused by humans and is a real problem, vaccines don't cause autism... And that there is no reasonable evidence for a supernatural being, or an afterlife, or reincarnation...
I'm being "religious" in both my beliefs and advocacy?
Really?
I guess NASA must have been very, very religious to figure out how to put a human on the moon...
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2017 - 03:19pm PT
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Stoopidest logic ever presented ^^^^^^
Atheist, theists, agnostics, etc have been manipulating the inferior material energies since forever.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 12, 2017 - 03:27pm PT
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Natural reality has enough intelligence and vitalism in it as is.
Mark
What intelligence does Natural reality have?
Can you point to something that has intelligence other than a living biological organism?
So many memes are thrown out there out on wild speculation alone;
Like God is Love, The universe is love, God is truth, you are going to a better place, the universal intelligence, universal spirit... etc.
No one can know these things, they are just throw away words to give comfort to the gullible.
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