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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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But you are not alone...you still have billions of bacteria that out number your own body's cells.
The thought experiment is beyond comprehension to a person of faith and simply a righteous place for an atheist.
Sounds lonely, like God
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Whew...I'm posting as 664
Edit: 665 yeah baby! Okay Craig you're right, you're still not alone ;)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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bump to get off that number...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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The Pope is finally pulling his head out of the sand..
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Moose....666..! crap...time for some holy water and a rosary...
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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No way
I'm completely alone
nothing, zip, null, none, zero
there are no connections from the outside
nor can my mind control anything on the outside physically
No one has been able to control the simplest material "item" with their mind, like a golf ball
It's all through the senses, everything entering can be observed, cut off and isolated
too hard to explain now, at work, must get back to or delete!!
RJ
I got you off the number
and now Cosmic has it
so we will have to manip it on his forehead
Too late Cosmic
We all saw it.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Fry...I know someone with a garden hose and a golf ball that can do some fun stuff...rj
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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all anyone has to do is be able to mentally control a little ball in flight
just nudge it the tiniest bit so it goes straight into the hole
But it can't be done, it has Never been done.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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the Pope are lightening up on their negative views towards Gays/Lesbians/TG people...
what'ya mean "lightening up"? Did you hear what he said? i thought he just laid down more rules?
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Norton
Social climber
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Pope still says no to same sex marriage
but he loves equality
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2016 - 11:56am PT
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Why would he make man special? What is in it for God? In short, I believe God created man for his pleasure, and so that we would have the pleasure of knowing him (Revelations 4:11). I think that God is a personal being and he created us for the relationship (Jeremiah 31:3). This is another instance where I think the analogy of a father and children is appropriate.
Why does the evangelical church say there are no contradictions in the Bible when they are plainly there for anyone to see? (These are too numerous even to list a representative sample here. There are many books and monographs on this topic in the skeptical literature. I believe that there are not any contradictions, but that it is easy to take certain verses and make it appear that there are. There is tons of literature on this, from both sides, and when compared side by side I have never come across a contradiction. I have spent hours and hours and hours looking into this, and I don't claim to have all of the explanations memorized. Sorry, but I don't have the time to go through my books and the internet resources explaining every single point. It would just turn into a googling war.
I'll just address your first one, as an example.
Why does the Old Testament teach that there is no hell, while the New Testament teaches that there is? The idea of "progressive revelation" does not explain the conflicts in the biblical texts The old testament talk about death, eternal darkness, the pit, and other descriptions that are not directly translated to hell (Daniel 12:2). It also talk about how God will have his day when there will be judgement, and then that judgement is described in the new Testament and the word hell appears. I don't see this to be a contradiction in any way. Not specifically describing hell in the Old Testament is not the same as saying there is no hell. Unless someone wants to read it that way so they can claim there are contradictions.
I do believe that the Bible is a living text, and while I don't think any words are there due to error, I do concede that there are a variety of ways to interpret parts of it. When there are several choices, you can try to interpret it in a way that contradicts other parts of the Bible, or you can interpret it in way that are in harmony with all of the teachings.
Basically, if you want to, you can force contradictions into the Bible, but I believe that it is obvious that there aren't any.
I wish I still had this old PhD thesis, written by a secular person studying literature, that looked analyzed the whole Bible and found that there weren't any contradictions.
Seriously. Mouth Breathing, Pencil Licking stupid. How did you know I was a mouth breather!? My septoplasty helped a bit, but I still rely on mouth more than nose :(
Massive fail, Limping Crab
You just defended murdering, raping, and enslaving humans beings
Sorry if there was a misunderstanding, but I have no idea where I defended those actions. I don't think acknowledging that they're in the Bible equates to defending them.
Critical thought experiment
What if?
What if we put you inside a comfortable room, and this room was shielded by impenetrable walls, nothing can penetrate these walls, not even spiritual communication (stay focused, it's not a matter if such a wall can be fabricated, we can do it as a thought experiment), sub atomic particles or anything you could think of or anything you can't think of.
You are in this room, and we ask you if you can still feel your religious connections, or do you feel disconnected from this source?
would you feel empty?
what would happen??
God and Jesus can not be reached, the connection has been severed.
Even Largo would be in peril, his mind all alone, separated from the vast nothingness that he has been connecting to.
Nothing would change for me, that's my answer. I don't think anything would change for me either, as I believe God dwells in us (2nd Timothy 1:14).
Saw on the news just yesterday that the Catholic Church and the Pope are lightening up on their negative views towards Gays/Lesbians/TG people...
How did that come about when we all know that a woman and man are the only acceptable combination???...
Did GOD all of a sudden change his mind and decide that he was wrong???... I believe that the Bible speaks for God, not someone in a man made building. The Bible does teach love, over and over and over again. (Romans 12:9)
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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God dwells within us, yet is separate somehow?
Like a virus?
is there anyway to rid god out one's self?
To be independent of God?
or is this common place?
what about bacteria, does God dwell in them?
Rocks? yes or no?
I say no for rocks, but I do want to hear what a Christian would say.
Maybe the bible has a No. I can refer to.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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while 'Science' says he looked like your cab driver:
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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I just find it interesting how the talk is changing and how it appears to be way more of a political move than one of actually caring...
Yes. we're watching the evolution of man defining God's law. There are atleast 12 crooked branches from the original root. The pope was germinated by the Papal States after they kicked Caesar out some 450yrs after Jesus and Peter were already in Heaven.
Protestants tend to deny that Peter and those claimed to be his immediate successors had universally recognized supreme authority over all the early churches. The same Protestants said that Rome's prominence may be seen as only moral, not ecclesiastical, and that emergence of the Roman pontiff to supreme power and prominence happened by natural circumstance rather than divine appointment.[8]
Man's been bickering his way is better, well for forever. i'm just say'in i don't see the need to reach through the thorns to get to the fruit..
We are just carnivorous animals though, not far off from a Pig, or Monkey. Only, we're doomed to sit around in our flip flops debating decency.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Limpingcrab! Re your recent posts defending your bible as all truth with no contradictions:
I believe that there are not any contradictions, but that it is easy to take certain verses and make it appear that there are. There is tons of literature on this, from both sides, and when compared side by side I have never come across a contradiction. I have spent hours and hours and hours looking into this, and I don't claim to have all of the explanations memorized. Sorry, but I don't have the time to go through my books and the internet resources explaining every single point. It would just turn into a googling war.
I'll just address your first one, as an example.
Why does the Old Testament teach that there is no hell, while the New Testament teaches that there is? The idea of "progressive revelation" does not explain the conflicts in the biblical texts
The old testament talk about death, eternal darkness, the pit, and other descriptions that are not directly translated to hell (Daniel 12:2). It also talk about how God will have his day when there will be judgement, and then that judgement is described in the new Testament and the word hell appears. I don't see this to be a contradiction in any way. Not specifically describing hell in the Old Testament is not the same as saying there is no hell. Unless someone wants to read it that way so they can claim there are contradictions.
I do believe that the Bible is a living text, and while I don't think any words are there due to error, I do concede that there are a variety of ways to interpret parts of it. When there are several choices, you can try to interpret it in a way that contradicts other parts of the Bible, or you can interpret it in way that are in harmony with all of the teachings.
Basically, if you want to, you can force contradictions into the Bible, but I believe that it is obvious that there aren't any.
I wish I still had this old PhD thesis, written by a secular person studying literature, that looked analyzed the whole Bible and found that there weren't any contradictions.
I appreciate your strong beliefs have to include all of your bible being true & accurate.
And I appreciate you feel a special love from your god
And, I won't add any of the many horrible history stories about folks that felt they had a special love from their god.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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No contradictions? Read the begats in the new testament. Who was Josephs father?
What were Jesus's last words.
Incest is wrong? who was cains wife?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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OK.
Hey Christian, got any spare change?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Nice to see the many post-christianity sentiments since this is America not Ethiopia and since this is the 21st century not the 11th.
Yes, we are still in something of a pre-copernican phase when it comes to belief / belief systems. But since I see so much rapid change and growth in the world just about every day now on this and related subjects it is hard to complain.
So thank atheist-god for the internet, for the information age, for youtube! (Not to mention science and education.)
PS
Obviously Limpingcrab and blublckr, as two examples, are holdbacks. As such, as you know, they have existed in every social movement since the human ape first banded together thousands of years ago.
I look forward to the revolution. It will be yet another marvelous step up in human civilization and I expect it to be grand - bringing with it exciting new levels of awareness, opportunity, empowerment, etc., personal and social and worldwide.
A watched pot never boils.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Since God (ever merciful) killed everyone except for one family in the great flood, where did all of the different kinds of people come from? Did Noah have Australian aborigines on board? Did he drop them off along with the kangaroos and platypuses as the water receded?
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