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crankster
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No. Tahoe
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Yep, that would be some local Citizens out availing themselves of the freedom of expression this Country is built on. Heartening to see folks both for, and against the President's visit taking time out on a warm Fall day to peacefully participate.
They are certainly free to protest, as I am to express disgust at their messaging. You may find displaying Confederate flags and signs proclaiming, " Go back to Kenya", heartening, but I don't. And their gun culture contributed to this tragedy.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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their gun culture contributed to this tragedy
That's just absurd.
Flat out.
"They" had as much "responsibility" for this latest incident as Obama or you.
A sick puppy wanted to kill people to gain fame for himself. He availed himself of the tools at hand. End of story. Better for the MEDIA to have never mentioned his name or the names of those sick puppies that preceded him.
You want a "their" to hang responsibility on? Hang it on the media that GLORIFY these sick puppies.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Trees
BY JOYCE KILMER
I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.
A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth’s sweet flowing breast;
A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
A tree that may in Summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;
Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.
Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Gun crowd makes sure guns are available to anyone and everyone, then decries "the media" for reporting the mass murders.
False, and false.
The first claim is utterly, completely, entirely irrelevant to this Oregon incident (and the vast majority of previous mass-shootings). NONE of the gun-control laws you'd love to see passed would have the slightest effect on these incidents. These guys virtually always have their guns through not only LEGAL channels but channels that would NOT have been "closed off" by any proposed gun-control legislation. Guns are ABSOLUTELY NOT "available to anyone and everyone!" Not by a long shot. LOL
The second claim is patently ridiculous! The media do not just "report" on these incidents. They DO flat-out glorify the shooters, follow them, dig out every tiny detail about them and broadcast it, fall all over themselves to SCOOP a tidbit and "be the first" to cite "breaking news!" And these shooters are now explicitly SAYING what many of us have believed for years: "You wanna be famous? You've gotta kill some people."
Until YOU and your ilk connect the causal dots PROPERLY, you'll spin your wheels on failed gun-control efforts that are as hopelessly ineffectual as was prohibition, and all the while you'll fail to do anything that even possibly COULD help, starting with identifying the ACTUALLY contributing factors in the fact that somebody can get so SICK as to seek "fame" via shooting people.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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There's a big difference between "hearing about" the shooting and how the media glorifies it.
For one thing, the shooter's name should not be publicly released. If it trickles out, it's at least not broadcast. These guys should become so pariah that they are "the name that must not be named." Then we'll see how much of glory-hounds they remain.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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You're just wrong about almost everything, MB. You're just channeling Fox, the NRA and talk radio nonstop.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Crankster & all!
Re your post:
Oct 9, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
Yep, that would be some local Citizens out availing themselves of the freedom of expression this Country is built on. Heartening to see folks both for, and against the President's visit taking time out on a warm Fall day to peacefully participate.
They are certainly free to protest, as I am to express disgust at their messaging. You may find displaying Confederate flags and signs proclaiming, " Go back to Kenya", heartening, but I don't. And their gun culture contributed to this tragedy.
Yeah, but on the bright side, no locals were reported as up in trees, or on hilltops, trying to shoot our President Obama.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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You're just wrong about almost everything, MB. You're just channeling Fox, the NRA and talk radio nonstop.
Oh, YOU said it. That's it then. Must be true.
I'm so ashamed.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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What I find downright funny is that you guys fall all over yourselves to defend a "free press" (that is anything BUT), such that the damage we KNOW it does is just okey-dokey. Literally, what we KNOW to be a direct causal chain in the motivation of some of these sick puppies is just a NECESSARY side effect of the "unrestricted freedom" the press MUST have.
But 100,000,000 legal gun carriers just MUST be "restricted" in ways that have NO demonstrable causal connection to the incidents you USE to make a partisan point.
"The GUN CULTURE" (whatever that is) "did" it. But the media have NO accountability whatsoever. THEY must remain "free" at ALL costs.
You cherry pick amendments to suit your PREFERENCES, having nothing to do with what causal connections have been revealed. It's like watching you play a game of Twister. Good, clean fun!
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dirtbag
climber
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All amendments have their limitations.
Second amendment included.
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dirtbag
climber
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It's a tool, not a second penis.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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You're missing my point. I don't have a problem with freedom of the press. I'm pointing out the inconsistency in thinking among those who seem to wish for unrestricted freedom of the press, even when we KNOW of evils it causes. Yet they want TONS of restrictions on the second amendment, even in cases in which it is clear that the proposed legislation is causally unrelated.
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dirtbag
climber
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Who has called for unrestricted freedom of press?
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dirtbag
climber
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You can't libel someone, threaten, harass or yell fire in a theatre.
You can't disturb the peace by blaring a megaphone wherever you want.
I think most people would agree these are reasonable restrictions.
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philo
climber
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Madbolter, what is your opinion on the US Postal Service?
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