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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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PROPOSED UTAH BILL TO LET POLICE SHOOT DOWN DRONES
I'd buy the ammo but the cops are always putting out PSA's on New Year's Eve not to
shoot guns into the sky and given the level of police marksmanship usually displayed
it is hard to view this as other than a joke.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Apparently No Fly Zones were not enough to restrict the media from covering less desirable actions by our LEO's, they needed to give them an excuse that rides above the common man's rights.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Be careful what you send the cops out to shoot.
The cops in my neighborhood shot someone's housecat, thinking it was a Mountain Lion.
http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/article/ZZ/20060502/NEWS/605029923
"The incident occurred in an area where residents have repeatedly reported mountain lion sightings. In fact, the bear treed itself just a block from where, in 2004, a large house cat was mistaken for a mountain lion and shot and killed by police"
The news story, apparently, the Redlands Police thought a Grizzly Bear had wondered into town, probably came here from Idaho.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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The news story, apparently, the Redlands Police thought a Grizzly Bear had wondered into town, probably came here from Idaho.
Probably somebody's Chow running loose
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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That "brown bear" and house cat were only a mile from my house. Thankfully, the County Sheriff covers things here, when they feel like it, not the Redlands Police.
My neighbors and I call each other when we spot something like that. We've talked about it, and we're certainly not calling the cops.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Probably somebody's Chow running loose
lol
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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I bet the LEOs in Utah are all verklempt at the thought of the firepower, SAM missiles and freshly offered MRAP mounted anti-aircraft gunning surplus they can get from the DHS garage sale to shoot down drones with.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Mar 15, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
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If these findings are accurate, its good news that drones might not be such a threat to aircraft:
http://www.cio.com/article/3043788/drones-present-minimal-threat-to-aircraft-says-study.html
Using data on bird strikes, study estimates danger from consumer drones is minor
Just how likely is it that a drone hits an aircraft and causes a death or injury? Not very, according to research from George Mason University. The study suggests the Federal Aviation Administration could significantly loosen rules regarding private drone use and not endanger general aviation.
Citing a number of "near misses" with drones, the FAA recently began requiring pilots to register before flying their drones and agree to abide by several basic rules of the sky. Almost 400,000 pilots have registered in the last three months, the FAA said on Monday.
The FAA's requirement, covering drones weighing over 250 grams (0.55 pounds), got George Mason University research fellow Eli Dourado thinking: Just how dangerous might drones be?
He started by turning to the FAA's wildlife strike database, a voluntary database of incidents involving animal strikes with aircraft, and married that with an estimate of 10 billion birds in U.S. airspace. He looked at the amount of time the birds spend flying and where bird strikes happened. He also drew on an FAA database of the average weight per species.
The result?
"A two-kilogram drone would cause an injury once every 187 million years of continuous operation," he said.
Put another way, with a million drones in the sky flying continuously, they'd lead to an accident that would cause an injury or death once every 187 years. |
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 15, 2016 - 08:07pm PT
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Not a chance. There is a gap in the legislation of drones and government is dead set to fill the void.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 17, 2016 - 03:58pm PT
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Big sky -- little bullet
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Mar 17, 2016 - 09:08pm PT
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Drone up to no good.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Mar 18, 2016 - 01:06am PT
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the drone designation is irrelevant
this thread is really about privately controlled vehicles that have partly escaped the compulsive regulators by operating in a domain that is kept under tight political and military control
i spent several years of my life as lead systems engineer at NASA NextGen, developing the risk management plan for the next generation air traffic management system…which of course included the implications of UAVs introduced into the air space system (we neglected to include the risk of having the police authorized to shoot them down!)
many commercial and military aircraft are quite capable of flying their schedules or missions with no on-board pilot input…and hence could be termed drones…note the UAV X-47 taking off and landing on a carrier…not to mention many modern airliners...
NextGen is a typical FAA major federal program trying to predict and regulate what has already happened…leading from behind…as pilots like me with a pocket GPS can do better navigation than their outmoded controlled airspace system
It is intriguing to watch the compulsive regulators attempting to regulate un-regulateable drone excursions into their self-assigned domains of control
this thread is a great sociology exercise with knowledgeable contributors examining innovative technology developments confronting the cultural immunity syndrome exhibited by people with archaic world views
the massive implications of practical software to manage the stability and control of multi-rotor aerial vehicles is only beginning to be felt…note 50 years of work by Hans Moller and his latest m400 skycar - a hovercraft that can take off from your back yard and hover out of ground-effect and cruise long distances on a bypass of both the overstressed and under maintained federal highway system and the air transportation system designed in the 1930s
the political/military controllers have struggled for the entire history of aviation to prevent practical vehicles able to transition seamlessly from ground transportation to air transportation under private control…as this grants people a much greater degree of travel freedom…particularly if you stick to uncontrolled airspace and outside of radar coverage (as i generally prefer in my own airplane)
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Mar 18, 2016 - 01:49am PT
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so it would be nice if i could use a drone to inspect my aircraft while in flight…particularly to check that the gear is down and locked in the landing configuration…or anytime something doesn't sound quite right...
so what are the legal implications if i launch a small drone from a dock under the hull and fly it around for an inflight inspection…or perhaps to inspect something else such as an emergency landing zone...
btw i cruise at 200 mph and slow down to 100 mph in the airport landing pattern
(as a precedent, the tender for a documented yacht is considered to be covered under the registration of the parent vessel)
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Mar 18, 2016 - 11:14am PT
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this thread is a great sociology exercise with knowledgeable contributors examining innovative technology developments confronting the cultural immunity syndrome exhibited by people with archaic world views
DAT'S WUT I BEEN TRYIN TO SAY, YO!!
but dingus is a dingus dong, lol.
Also, the bubble is already popping before the main stream realized it was there, lol
https://dronemapping.wordpress.com/2016/03/15/commercial-drone-operations-are-a-fad/
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Mar 18, 2016 - 03:02pm PT
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You equating peeping toms with drones is like equating yourself with youth...lol
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 19, 2016 - 05:42am PT
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-drone-lufthansa-idUSKCN0WL01B
Thank god California has Senator Fienstein. Maybe she can introduce some legislature to control the birds flying around LA too? They used to sh#t on my truck and I hated that.
The pilot of a Lufthansa passenger jumbo jet reported a drone aircraft nearly collided with the airliner on Friday on its landing approach to Los Angeles International Airport, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.
The close encounter between the wide-body, four-engine Airbus A380 and the drone occurred at about 1:30 p.m. at an altitude of 5,000 feet (152 meters) as the unmanned aircraft passed about 200 feet (61 meters) over the Lufthansa flight 14 miles (22.5 km) east of the airport, the FAA said.
No evasive action was taken by the airline crew, and the plane, Lufthansa Flight 456, safely made its landing minutes later without further incident, according to FAA spokesman Ian Gregor.
The FAA immediately alerted the Los Angeles Police Department's air support division.
The number of passengers and crew aboard the plane was not reported by authorities, nor was the flight's origin.
U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, who has introduced legislation to require new safety features on drones, pointed to the close call as an example of the hazards posed to commercial aviation by unregulated drone activity.
"This is one more incident that could have brought down an airliner, and it's completely unacceptable," she said in a statement.
Federal regulations generally bar drone aircraft and model airplanes from flying higher than 400 feet (122 meters) or within 5 miles (8 km) of an airport without first contacting air traffic control and airport authorities. Operators also must keep their drones away from other aircraft and groups of people.
The FAA has received at least 42 reports of drones flying unsafely near LAX, the nation's second-busiest airport, since April 2014, according to a Los Angeles Times analysis last fall of federal data released by Feinstein.
The data shows nearly 200 pilot reports of close encounters involving drones in California alone during the past two years, the most of any state, according to the Times.
In a 2014 letter to the FAA, Feinstein cited three instances in which drones flew dangerously close to passenger planes near major airports - two on the same day in May of that year at New York City's LaGuardia Airport and LAX, and another at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York in March 2013.
Responding to heightened concerns about rogue drone flights near airports, the FAA issued a rule in December requiring hobbyists as young as 13 to register their unmanned aircraft online with the government.
(Reporting by Steve Gorman; Editing by Sandra Maler and Michael Perry)
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Mar 19, 2016 - 10:33pm PT
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note one of the reasons we can go flying around up there is that humans have caused massive depopulation of the birds up there
two hundred years ago it would have been challenging to find uninhabited airspace below a few thousand feet of altitude
it is very common for aircraft to nearly run into birds during takeoff…pilots don't usually mention this to non pilots…
this is also one of the major reasons for flying airplanes above 500 feet
we (except for glider pilots) also tend to avoid ridge lines with strong updrafts due to the presence of soaring birds at higher altitudes
likewise above landfills, fishing harbors, and active agricultural cultivation
i know at least one seagull that actively seeks out and attacks small UAVs…which are being used regularly by one of my friends for rescuing injured wildlife...
all the negative press about small UAVs is just designed to get the public willing to support attempts to regulate them
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 20, 2016 - 09:31am PT
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about small UAVs is just designed to get the public willing to support attempts to regulate them
So our concerns are no more than our concerns about children running with sharpened
pencils? I acknowledge that a one pound drone would probably not bring down even an
RJ but some of these larger ones could quite possibly. At the very least it would entail a
new engine but I suppose that is the price we should pay to indulge our fantasies about
personal freedom?
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