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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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And yet.....that is exactly the type of stereotyping that you want to push.
i think if you were to read all my posts i'm about as anti-stereotying as one can get. atleast almost! sorry if you read that in me from this thread:(
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jstan
climber
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Much harm has come to The Synagogue or the Church of G-d as a result.
OK. Has a broad based correction been undertaken by ians? Other than to claim those guilty "aren't ians" as Klimmer has done?
Donations by the "flock" have decreased because the money and properties are going to pay off legal settlements. But I have not heard of a groundswell and suggestions of changes to the tax code. it all seems business as usual. The ians seem pretty happy.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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So, Klimmer, how does it feel to be unfairly singled out? You think your gay brethren might feel much the same way?
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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So Blooie- it looks like you were in the same time span- did you know Andrew Cunanan?
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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It all seems so tedious, hammering on folks simply because they are not like us. It also feels chickensh#t.
Agreed - we do it all the time. I mean they do it all the time! Let's aspire not to hammer on those tedious chickenshit humans!
What is the core belief is a great question, I think, but why is the core belief for all of us maybe will help us not hammer on those tedious chickenshit humans? Oh maybe we're not quite there yet ..
I mean they're not quite there yet! That's the real problem :-)
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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I know this is not the attitudes and actions of all homosexuals! I do KNOW it is for a certain percentage tho. And I do KNOW if it weren't for the positive affirmation coming from the "adult" men through the use of drugs and alcohol with the reinforcement of the reward of cash, these boys would have NEVER partooke in the homosexual lifestyle! IMO.
I've heard Donald Trump is looking for a running mate.
'Somebody's doing the rapin!'
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Blue, those are grim times you described.
My only issue with you is belief that we can somehow reverse engineer most all of what you are saying (per criminal goings on) to a homosexual root-cause, whereby a sinful sexual orientation flamed by hard drink occasions the bad times, and that if only the people you mentioned were straight, none of the crimes and darkness would have happened.
My thinking is that there are bad folk in all areas of life, and in the cases you mention, homosexuality is only incidental to the criminal acts, rather than homosexuality being itself a criminal act. Most all the dark things you and Klimmer have mentioned also happen in a straight context, but we don't blame it on heterosexuality.
JL
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Comedian Bill Cosby testified in 2005 that he had obtained Quaaludes with the intent of giving the sedatives to young women in order to have sex with them, according to court documents unsealed on Monday.
How young were they Bill? Were you contemplating proposing marriage?
More than 40 women have come forward in the past year alleging Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted them in incidents dating back decades. His attorneys have consistently denied the allegations.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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For those requesting information on the incidence of child molestation among homosexuals vs. heterosexuals, etc. : Gregory Herek reviews some of the literature on this issue in "Stigma, Prejudice, and violence against Lesbians and Gay Men" (pp. 60-80 in John Gonsiorek and James Weinrich (eds) "Homosexuality: Researcyh Implications for Public Policy" Sage Publications, 1992). Herek says:
"Since 1978, no credible new data have been published that contradict the conclusions" of research completed by the following studies:
D.E. Newton, "Homosexual Behavior and Child Molestation: A Review of the Evidence," Adolescence 13, 1978, pp. 29-43.
A.N. Groth & H. Birnbaum, "Adult Sexual Orientation &qmp; Attraction to Underage Persons," Archives of Sexual Behavior 7:3, 1978, pp. 175-181.
According to Herek, Newton's review concluded that "gay men are no more likely than heterosexual men to molest children." In Groth &qmp; Birnbaum's study of 175 adult males convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child, "none had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation."
40% in their study were classified as heterosexual, 13% as bisexual, 47% as "fixated" (had not developed an adult sexual orientation), and none were "primarily sexually attracted to other adult males." (Groth & Birnbaum's words).
The least credible document is Paul Cameron's (the homophobe whose membership in the American Psychological Association was revoked and who was denounced by the American Sociological Association for misusing social science data and methods) "Child Molestation and Homosexuality" (Psychological Reports, 58, 1986, pp. 327-337) -- based on data from a door-to-door survey in 7 cities in which Cameron assumes that all male-to-male sexual assaults are homosexual, without any data supporting the sexual orientation of the perpetrators, and with very problematic sampling methods. See Herek's article for more details of this one.
Cameron, alas, is often used to testify and appear on talk shows arguing that gays are child molestors, despite having his credentials and expertise devalued by the major academic professional associations.
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Norton
Social climber
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wow
thanks for posting that, Blu
it is a very strong study that directly refutes the contention that homosexuals are more likely to be child molesters than heterosexuals
did you read the article, blu?
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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We're the good people; they're the bad people. If not for the color of our skin, then for the beliefs in our brain, whether they are the homosexuals or the tedious chickenshits. Praise advantage! Wow that feels good, I'm even starting to believe it :-)
Without free will, how could we justify blaming people personally individually physically for the beliefs that they carry in their heads, the way we enjoy blaming them personally individually physically for their skin color and gender? Praise our belief in free will!
We are the good people because of our beliefs. Oh, well, given the physical manifestations of our beliefs, I guess the polar bears might like to quibble, but they have a lot of progress to make before they have the sac to warrant us calling them tedious chickenshits!
My limbic system must be faulty because I get all hot and bothered over these bad people and their beliefs. At least I still have my skin working for me.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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And he said: "I'm even starting to believe it..."
That she blows - the old angle that belief or persuation is at the root of it all, implying a free-will "choice" which some poor saps believes extends to sexual orientation. That there is no such thing as true nature, or natural (to an individual) tendencies.
Might be interesting to see how many people on this thread have choosen to be straight.
JL
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Might be interesting to see how many people on this thread have chosen to be straight.
I have.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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can we all agree that drytooling is ghey?
uh, mom, dad, Im a drytooler...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Who the hell cares if you're born with it, or if you just think being gay is a good idea? It's a free country. You get to be who you are.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Don't hate the game, hate the (gay?, tedious chickensh#t?) player is how our game works.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Might be interesting to see how many people on this thread have chosen to be straight.
I have.
So before you choose to be straight, you were asexual, gay, or what. exactly?
Could you decide once more and this time choose to be gay?
JL
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I'm pretty sure that questioning your own sexuality is much more commonplace than most folks would like to admit. Sexuality isn't black or white. Love crosses the spectrum of sex and sexuality most definitively.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Carolina blue, with a wide white belt.
Yeah, baby.
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MAD BOLTER
Trad climber
CARLSBAD,NM
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ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE HOMOSEXUALITY IS RESULTING IN THE DEATH PENALTY--STONED TO DEATH
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