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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Feb 27, 2019 - 03:43pm PT
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Heisenberg, word. . .df
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 27, 2019 - 05:29pm PT
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Yeah, I think BASE jumping is suicidal and all
I think there a big range of risk in BASE just like in climbing. As BASE104 mentions a standard jump off El Cap really isn’t that risky if you don’t make a mistake. But some proximity wingsuit flights I’ve seen are super dangerous. Just like climbing on solid rock isn’t that risky but free soloing is way higher risk.
Im glad to hear you have throttled back Caylor.
The thing about pushing the limits is sometimes someone goes over that limit. I have a lot of respect for those with the bravery and drive to push the limits. But I also like to see someone who decides to dial it back at some point, for whatever reason: they’ve had a close call, they’ve done what they need to, they get older or have family etc.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Feb 27, 2019 - 06:57pm PT
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Ouch. Watching this stuff brought back memories; Bob Boenish, Carl's brother, was on my pit crew when I ran a formula car race shop in Seattle. His wife's brother was killed in a glider accident while performing stunts. Small, painful world.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 27, 2019 - 11:11pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
It’s tough to watch the base and climbing fails (I’m glad we didn’t have these vids BITD when I was learning. But I think you are probably safer and more prepared seeing what can go wrong. Like reading accidents in NA mountaineering.
The supposedly safe sport climbs are some of the nastiest looking falls. Some are because the person doesn’t know how to fall correctly but some are just falling where it ends up with a swing into the rock.
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Feb 28, 2019 - 06:11am PT
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It’s tough to watch the base and climbing fails (I’m glad we didn’t have these vids BITD when I was learning.
Tom Aiello has a hideous video collection of super graphic fatalities and has his students watch it during his BASE courses in Twin Falls. He busted it out at a big party in Moab one time and it did not go over well with the gang..
Caylor
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2019 - 06:58am PT
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@Flip: This thread--started by me--is not about mocking Caylor. You have a reading comprehension problem.
That para-sail/BASE fails video is sobering. I can't believe all those people survived. Of course, they are probably going to be living with life-long pain, but they are alive. I was TOTALLY gripped watching that Euro dude struggle with his wing. I guess he popped a chute? Wow.
BAd
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Feb 28, 2019 - 07:11am PT
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He's mocking me? I literally pay so little attention to that guy I wasn't aware I was any target.. For real though, you've all seen that awful mash-up on YouTube of me just spewing hard and all over the place, I really do make a very easy target. Doesn't seem to be any sport in it.
edit-I was TOTALLY gripped watching that Euro dude struggle with his wing. I guess he popped a chute? Wow. No, he went in with nothing out. Crazy.
Caylor
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2019 - 07:32am PT
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Whoa, Caylor, that's wild. He didn't seem to hit that hard. FWIW, the mash up is pretty funny--in a good way. You've been around a while and been pushing it, so you've got some battle stories. We all do. My thought on seeing that? I wanna hang out with that guy!
Cheers,
BAd
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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Feb 28, 2019 - 07:41am PT
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He's my doppleganger in a way. We've both survived the BASE jumping accident that has never happened before and will never happen again.
Actually this guy also makes the cut, he was fine and still jumping the next day.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Feb 28, 2019 - 08:24am PT
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Yosar.. yes
Big Walls.....yes
Big Wall Solo.... yes
Trans Sierra Ski....yes
Big Tele lines.....yes
Big Waves.....yes
Class IV boating.... yes
Alpine Routes.... yes
Alpine Solo.... yes
Rescue training.....yes
WEMT......yes
Avalanche Training.....yes
Builder.....yes
Deep Scuba.....yes
I'm not risk averse. Prison tattoos don't scare me. Hell, I threw two peckerwood idiots to the ground just last week.
I'm an intellectual in an anti intellectual world. Battling against dangerous stupidity is my hobby.
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Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
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Feb 28, 2019 - 03:27pm PT
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^^
Hell, I threw two peckerwood idiots to the ground just last week.
I'm an intellectual in an anti intellectual world. Battling against dangerous stupidity is my hobby.
Wow. Mid to late 40’s male bragging about beating up some 18 yo kids? Classic Brooke. They take your meds? That statement shows you have the intellect of a sloth.
If one looks at every bit of garbage you have said about risk, base, other people: you are the antithesis of intellectual.
And for you to list all of the things you’ve done (WEMT is soooo risky wow!)
Makes you basically a liar. It’s like anyone who has to begin a sentence with “I have to be honest with you” - basically they too are a liar. Or people who feel the need to spray when NO ONE ASKED! Your list is funny of things you wanted to do.
But I digress
Back to BASE and the beginnings of trouble for the respect of BadClimber
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2019 - 09:07pm PT
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I've learned a lot from these threads, and it seems that BASE per se can be "reasonably" safe with proper training. Leading hard rock climbs and alpinism are dangerous, too. Proxy wingsuit is like extreme Himalayan climbing, which is friggin' dangerous. Looks like Alison Hargreave's son just died on Nanga Parbat. The death toll for Himalayan climbs is relentless. I suspect that reasonably careful BASE jumpers are playing a safer game. Any stats on the sport as a whole?
BAd
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skywalker1
Trad climber
co
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Feb 28, 2019 - 10:40pm PT
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Any stats on the sport as a whole?
I don't have any stats as a whole. Do you have any on gear climbing? Age of a rope or harness? I'm not trying to be a (D.B) to you.
Do I look up statistics before I attempt something? No. I can either do them or not. Its based on can I reasonably execute this. Usually its kinda of eyeballing it with a little math involved and physical fitness. Have you done your homework?
If things don't look favorable you back off. Or as they say "dial it down". Or walk away. It ain't going anywhere.
S...
Sorry this website comes across as a tough crowd but we are mostly chill people. Just one of those kids that had ideas!!!
Are you considering this Bad Climber?
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Heisenberg, you're dumb, you've done nothing interesting, you're a coward. And WEMT is about intellect and responsibility. I could haul your corpse up a wall faster than you could climb it. You're nothing. Nothing at all. Zero. My resume makes you look like the failure that you are. Nothing of interest. Weak. Lame. Loser. Always hiding because you're a leaky diaper.
( the tatted peckerwood was about 35 and 235 lbs of prison meat with a long rap sheet and a longer history of assault. He was harassing a girl and he ran away fast and quiet once I let him stand up... Imagine how you'd fare, Heisenberg. Keep hiding, chickenshit)
And I don't need to lie but you do. Why is that?
Heisenberg lying " Brooke (aka flip flop) has been on and off meds for quite some time I suspect. Stanley always thought he was a DB. I went skiing with Brooke on one of his bday adventures, and it's that day I realized he was a complete DB.
But remember Brooke is a gym climber at heart. No risk, he's a complete poser here on the forum like he's some kind of trad climber from "back in the day"
You didn't know Stanley. Making up stuff that he didn't say shows your lack of character.You don't know me. You only watched my birthday on your computer. I climbed multiple big walls and alpine routes before I ever set foot in a gym, because um 1990's early there were no gyms. Also, not on meds never have been. Stupid and wrong is why you've got no accomplishments in climbing.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2019 - 07:04am PT
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Hey, Skywalker:
No, I'm not about to become a BASE jumper, but it is interesting to do some actuarial comparisons for risk. Folks who are afraid of dying in a commercial plane crash, for example, are WAY more likely to die driving or walking in a city, and these, of course, are not high risk activities. With such a fringe sport like BASE, it would be pretty hard to collect numbers, but it would be interesting to see how many people do the sport, rate of injuries, etc. The injury rate must be higher than rock climbing, but I don't know. Skateboarding--and not the BASE kind--has gotta have quite the injury rate, too! Death rate, not so high. Heh.
But looking at stats wouldn't be a bad idea before getting into a sport--not that anyone would likely do it.
BAd
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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I've got at least 25 dead "friends" on Facebook and another 25 that were never on Facebook. Not on Facebook is Derek Hersey, Rob Slater, Charlie Fowler, Jeff Lowe and a few others from various ways. The vast majority were all BASE jumper friends, and not acquaintances, like good friends, 2 of whom I saw explode very up close and personal.
However you're onto the bigger picture BAd, the number of friends I have that have destroyed their bodies irreparably and forever is double that. And that's just the folks I actually know.. My left ankle will either be fused or lopped of in 10 years(I'll be 50 next month), my wife who I threatened with divorce if she ever even thought about BASE jumping broke her femur and back in 2 places(she's 42). We're both very active and fit but that sh#t hurts more and more all the time.
Funny you mention "commercial airline travel". My second biggest fear next to monkeys is going down in a commercial flight. Travel petrifies me, but I do it anyways. Anyways, I have a rare week off so I'm all over this thread and rambling.
http://base-jumping.eu/base-jumping-fatality-list/ <------ an incomplete list of BASE fatalitites. It hasn't been updated in a few years.
You can also go to basejumper.com and create an account and there's literally 1,000's of uber graphic accidents. It's estimated that less than 5,000 active BASE jumpers are on the planet.
Caylor
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WBraun
climber
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Anyways, I have a rare week off so I'm all over this thread and rambling.
So that's why criminals are running loose all over the place ...... :-)
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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So that's why criminals are running loose all over the place ...... :-) The similarities are pretty shocking Werner. Clearly my wheels came off a long time ago.
Caylor
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