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philo
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Gingerbread Cams. Not recommended for actual climbing. Though I imagine pretty good for bivy food.
The point jrig is that these folks, many of whom are highly regarded on the Taco, are my friends. They are highly regarded by people who don't know them any more than they know me, by people who don't know what these "highly regarded" folks believe in or stand for. If you were to engage most of these friends of mine on subjects considered "hot potato" issues would you so easily condemn everything else about them simply on the basis of their stance on gun issues? Here is a good point I'd like to make. Attending the party last night were Rodger Rauhbach aka Brokedownclimber and Jan Sacherrer Turner aka Jan, two stalwart and much respected ST posters. Friends for decades with each other and staunchly on opposite sides of many issues.
Now Rodger is as staunch a defender of the 2nd Amendment as your likely to meet. He is also my friend. He and I have had every bit of heated exchanges about gun issues in America as I've had with anybody on the Taco. We may someday find common ground on reasonable approaches but we will likely never see Eye to eye on the subject. He and I also both love our four legged family members but will never agree on the issue of dogs at the crag. OK cool.
He and I still have more in common than not and share a deep respect for each other, differences, warts and all. The biggest difference with Brokedown climber is that unlike my mono-dimensional detractors he is wise enough and mature enough to see through to the heart and mind within. He, like these other friends who actually know me, doesn't allow his disagreements with me preclude significant intelligent interactions.
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jonnyrig
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That's all well and good; but your approach here on the forum has been less than the intelligent discussion of hot potato topics that you are likely to engage in with your close personal friends, to the point that you actually felt compelled to apologize for your actions. In asking whether they are aware of your posting to this thread, I simply wondered if they approve of the manner and intent in which you posted those pics to this thread. You see, it's not just a celebration of your friendship and the party you held, it is you driving home the point that these well-regarded members know and approve of you, and apparently of your actions on the forum.
Personally, I also have friends who contribute to this forum. We have also participated in conversation regarding divisive issues on which we do not agree, and yet remain friends; but I'm not going to post up their pictures here as some kind of accolade to myself validating their approval of me and my actions here. Indeed, I suspect some of them would not necessarily appreciate my involvement here. Point is, they speak for themselves and I'm not going to involve them.
You're probably a wonderful friend in person, and indeed some have outright said so. I don't know you personally, nor anything about your climbing prowess or your opinions on other controversial subjects. What we know about each other is limited to the interactions we have here on this forum. Thus you judge me and your other detractors to be mono-dimensional, and I judge your posting style and participation in the banishment of other forum members to be less than honorable. In neither case do we agree. Based on that participation here, I'm not interested in knowing you personally, since I don't like your style.
Randisi will never like me, and I'm ok with that.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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– Donini wouldn’t stop talking about how much he loved the new Katy Perry album at Indian Creek, but I let it slide because he was a great host otherwise ;)
Damn, dood, that is some kind of world class forbearance!
I'm not sure I would have let that slide. Some times ya just gotta
stand up for what's right, ya know?
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John M
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Philo..
Tad isn't a hater. Eric wolf isn't a hater. Cosmic isn't a hater. I'm not a hater, yet you labeled all of us haters because we said something about you that you didn't like. You post passive aggressively. Maybe in real life you don't act this way. But on the forum you do. It pisses people off. We have had many people on this forum who in real life have lots of friends but on the forum act like d#@&%es. Crowley is a great example. I miss the guy, but he drove me nuts on the forum.
It was a d#@&%e move what you did on the gun thread. You didn't "just post facts". You slammed that thread making it hard to enjoy. Sure… some of those guys went off the deep end, but then you used that as an excuse to further go off the deep end yourself and then you tried to pretend that you are taking the high road. Doesn't that remind you of someone formerly from this forum? Hint.. ( LEB )
Is it the high road to try and belittle someone and reduce their opinion to something less by labeling them " just a hater"? Just because they said something about you that you did not like?
According to you I'm a hater, but guess what.. I also have friends in high places. Oh my.. if I post their pictures will it make me less of a hater to you?
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philo
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The opporative words in your first sentence jrig is "has been". Both for me as a climber and my approach to posting on ST threads. Sadly you and your homies neglect to pay attention to anything I post of a positive and supportive nature. You focus solely on past grievances and can not or will not look beyond. I sincerely invite and encourage anyone to read through my posting history since the end of last year and tell me where the nasty ogre shows up. Then look at the posts made at me and tell me honestly who is being rude and uncivil. I was not "compelled" to apologize as you want to think. I appologized because I was asked to by a poster whom I hold in great respect who wanted to see the forum "cool down". He was right to ask. Thank you for graciously accepting said apology.
So no matter what I post, climbing content, climbing pics, climbing friends, news about rescue and recovery to earthquake victims in Nepal, words of advice and encouragement to others, positive feedback on dozens of threads, trip reports, support of wounded vets, nothing, nothing will matter because I don't share your views on one issue?
The fact that I have turned a new leaf in my approach to the forum does not matter compared to past perceived injustices? It's like I've recovered from alcoholism or drug addiction and some of you can't help but offer me a shot or a fix.
Yea my friends dig seeing their pics in social settings just like the Taco clan dig seeing their pics posted from ST happy hours. If fair be fair you should slam everyone who has ever posted pics of themselves and their friends.
John get over it. The folks and friends at the party get exactly the same Philo the forum gets. The same sarcastic spence of humor, rye wit and passionate defense of perspectives.
And they don't get "pissed off". Some of you want to insist that all I ever contribute is negativity and bombast, I sorry but I beg to differ and have posted these things in this thread to highlight the fact. However some of you might want to take a good hard look in the mirror.
If some of you can dismiss everything about someone and perseverate and judge solely from the myopia of tunnel vision then your just not worth the time to get to know.
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jstan
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Donini wouldn’t stop talking about how much he loved the new Katy Perry album at Indian Creek
I have always found it useful to watch Donini........carefully. So I went and listened to a couple of tunes by Perry.
I am so grateful I am not a teenager.
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John M
climber
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I'm staying at this dudes house. Am I safe?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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I am so grateful I am not a teenager
ha ha.
You might look good with purple hair though?
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philo
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It was a real pleasure for me to finally get to introduce my friend David Rothstein to Jeff and Connie at the Big Spring BBQ and Giant Cookie Fest last night.
Ten years ago David hired me to do high end artistic lighting in his home and his business.
Not only is he my best client but over the years we became climbing partners and friends. I consider David to be my best friend. We know we could count on the other when the fecal material hits the fan.
Some tacos who think my stance on Palestinian rights to Peace and Justice must mean I am antisemetic - not realizing Palestinians are more Semetic than the Jews emigrating from all over the world (some have even erroneously and ignorantly stated that I have called for death to all Jews) - might be stunned to realize that David is Jewish. He knows and comprehends my other than main stream stance on Middle East issues. He sees the same Philo the forum does and we have no problems or issues based on misinterpretation.
We are each part of each other's families.
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philo
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Me too. I just disagree with the policies of the State of Israel regarding the Palestinians.
I also like fast sports cars and four wheel drives. But I want us to seriously address our pollution issues and kick the fossil fuel addiction that is killing the planet.
I also like guns. But have a serious issue about a society so enamored with them that school shootings get treated like part of normal life.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Some tacos who think my stance on Palestinian rights to Peace and Justice must mean I am antisemetic
No, some of us just think you are anti-emetic which is actually an OK stance around here
given the naturally purgative nature of so many posts, eh?
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philo
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Hey the sun came up today. Anyone care to disagree or perhaps claim I said the moon exploded?
OK right. So how many of you can tell me how many school shootings have occurred since Columbine? How many dead students and teacher in those shootings? How many could name even a few schools involved.
Here is a cheat sheet for you.
List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia, the free ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
This is a chronological list of school shootings in the United States. It consists of incidents in which a firearm was discharged at a school infrastructure, including ...
Bath School disaster - Enoch Brown school massacre - Red Lake massacre
Timeline: Deadly school shootings since Columbine - USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/.../school-shootings.../7903671/
Apr 19, 2014 - April 20, 2014 marks the 15th anniversary of the shooting rampage that killed 13 at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo. Look back at ...
School shootings since Columbine High massacre - The Denver Post
http://www.denverpost.com/.../school-shootings-since-columbine-high-massacre
Dec 13, 2013 - April 20: Columbine High School, Jefferson County - Eric Harris, 18 and Dylan Klebold, 17, killed 12 students and one teacher and wounded 24 ...
Spinning Statistics on School Shootings - FactCheck.org
http://www.factcheck.org/2014/06/spinning-statistics-on-school-shootings/
Jun 25, 2014 - Q: Have there been 74 school shootings since the Sandy Hook ... claim that “ since Columbine, there have been 181 of these school shootings.
Have there been 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook? A closer ...
http://www.politifact.com/.../have-there-been-74-school-shootings-sandy-hook-cl...
Jun 13, 2014 - It said that at least 74 school shootings had occurred since December ... before it, the 1999 Columbine shooting in Colorado that left 15 dead, ...
Columbine to Newtown: A tragic list of school shootings since 1999 ...
http://www.westword.com/.../columbine-to-newtown-a-tragic-list-of-school-shoot...
On the tenth anniversary of that tragedy, we assembled a horrific roster of school shootings in the decade since Columbine, based on data from the Brady ...
F.B.I. Confirms a Sharp Rise in Mass Shootings Since 2000 ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/us/25shooters.html
Sep 24, 2014 - In all, the study looked at 160 shootings since 2000. .... had studied high-profile shootings, like the one at Columbine High School in Colorado ...
A closer look: How many school shootings since Newtown? - CNN ...
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/us/school-shootings-cnn-number/
Jun 19, 2014 - A closer look: How many Newtown-like school shootings since ..... and told investigators he had visited Colorado's Columbine High School ...
Timeline of Worldwide School Shootings - Infoplease
http://www.infoplease.com › ... › Crime & Law Enforcement › Crime Data
The following table lists the worldwide school shootings from 1996 to the present. ... 14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the ... The shooter has been in a coma ever since.
Bearing ArmsCorrect Number Of Mass School Shootings Since ...
bearingarms.com/correct-number-mass-school-shootings-since-sandy-hook...
Jun 13, 2014 - Correct Number Of Mass School Shootings Since Sandy Hook: ZERO ... Incidents such as Sandy Hook or Columbine in which the shooter ...
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Well it (sun) actually just stayed in the same place;-)
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philo
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No Locker I said the country is enamored with guns.
The lack of outrage for the ongoing slaughter of innocents is what allows us to sweep the inconvenient truths aside.
It has become "normal" to hear and not react to what should have people demanding change.
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jonnyrig
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People do want change philo. Not all of us agree with your perception of what that change should be. You've made it your pet rant here, and contributed to the banishment of other forum members over it.
I thought you'd recognized your involvement in such and offered up an apology; but regarding your statement above that the apology was not, in fact, your idea... just makes it less genuine. The idea that you can not seem to conceive your active participation in said events, and the passive aggressive nature of that participation is the issue at hand to me.
Here you are, hashing it up again for us, calling us out over your perceived lack of outrage on our part, despite all discussion to the contrary in past and now defunct threads. Dude, you just aren't getting it.
Congratulations on the attempt to be more civil. Keep working at it.
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philo
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Sorry to disappoint a handful of posters but I will post what I want, where I want, whenever I want and as often as I want. It's my business and the management can oust me whenever they chose to or want to. Take your whinging churlish pot shots and swipes in a vacuum. I don't and won't care. Those of you who can only engage me in the manner currently employed are not worth responding to. So carry on. As will I.
Edited to add; I am here for my pleasure not yours.
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philo
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