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zBrown
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chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 22, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
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^You knew her?
At least Mr. Armstrong and the many others who doped (who for some reason don't get the same airplay as Lance) are still alive, doing good for the world.
Just google "fink list good deeds"
Disclaimer: I don't approve of Armstrong's apparent doping, don't approve of all the others who are not being equally punished, and especially don't approve of the young woman on the toilet's choices in life (if they're real).
When you gonna call out for penalty and repentance for all of them, Chief?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 23, 2012 - 12:03am PT
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A fabualous example for all young kids in America that are in any kind of athletic competition to follow... Lance Armstrong.
Oh... the poor children. I forgot.
It's not Lance's responsibility to teach other people's children anything. That would be the parent's job to teach their children not to emulate guys who ride bikes or throw balls for a living.
Who's the chick on the toilet?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 23, 2012 - 12:20am PT
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Case closed.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Oct 23, 2012 - 08:39am PT
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The Chief, should everyone who used PEDs while racing be stripped of their titles?
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crasic
climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:01am PT
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Let me just put it this way,
When everybody is quick to condemn, to point fingers, and to crucify it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
My heritage comes from the Soviet Union, and while I did not experience it first hand (too young to remember) I know enough of my peoples history to recognize this bullshit when I see it.
Someone goes against the party line, they are condemned by their ex-colleagues, "unanimously" stripped of their titles, and then dragged through the media as a pariah. To claim that ANYONE else in the game is any less dishonest is complete bullsh#t, and this whole circus is engineered specifically to keep people from recognizing that fact.
Also, like most conservatives and military vets (although not all) The chief thinks that taking a hard line is a sign of strength. Which is always somewhat disconcerting to see.
In other words, I'm not defending Armstrong by condemning the whole sh#t-show. I think the whole circus including all the media coverage, is complete bullsh#t. However I do believe that the ethics of any sport, or subsection of a sport is up to the sport community to determine, not outside regulatory and government agencies. I think that at least on that fact, The Chief would agree with me.
I propose a US Ground Up Enforcement Agency to police our FA's.
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raymond phule
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:06am PT
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However I do believe that the ethics of any sport, or subsection of a sport is up to the sport community to determine, not outside regulatory and government agencies.
Yes, but I fail to see the connection to this thread, Armstrong and cycling.
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crasic
climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:10am PT
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Yes, but I fail to see the connection to this thread, Armstrong and cycling.
The fact that USADA and every joker in the media is involved? The fact that blood doping was considered ok until the USADA (edit: under mandate from the IOC, sorry for the inaccuracy) stepped in (OH THINK OF THE CHILDREN) and banned it unilaterally? The fact that this whole fiasco is a crucifixion effort on the part of USADA
UCI can do as they wish, although they are trying to save face like everyone else, at least they are (in principle) the community-imposed regulatory body.
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crasic
climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:32am PT
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What if you think it ok to do regardless of what anyone else is doing.
Now you are just passing judgment on the morality of others.
I also never mentioned anything about it being ok, just that the whole thing is a f*#king farce that reminds me of soviet political crucifixions. It doesn't mean the person isn't shady, the entire system is f*#king shady and putting faith in its integrity is misguided.
I said the same thing when Rod Blagojevich was being crucified in Illinois. You know from the unanimous vote that everyone of those shady f*#kers was guilty of doing the same thing.
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raymond phule
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:34am PT
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The fact that USADA and every joker in the media is involved? The fact that blood doping was considered ok until the USADA (edit: under mandate from the IOC, sorry for the inaccuracy) stepped in (OH THINK OF THE CHILDREN) and banned it unilaterally? The fact that this whole fiasco is a crucifixion effort on the part of USADA
UCI can do as they wish, although they are trying to save face like everyone else, at least they are (in principle) the community-imposed regulatory body.
It seems like you are US centric, that you don't understand how sports and doping control is organized and that you do not know that a lot of cycling participants all over the world wants a clean sport.
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crasic
climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:38am PT
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Indeed lets throw around other folksy sayings like they actually mean anything
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
See! I can do it too!
Edit:
Accountability means jack sh#t when the agency enforcing integrity is corrupt as f*#k.
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crasic
climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 09:49am PT
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Let me just put it this way
Stalin was a crazy, evil motherf*#ker who killed many of my people (including personal family members). When, after he died, he was condemned unilaterally by those who were complicit in his crimes, and yet they received nothing for their crimes and had the gal to parade themselves as victims. It doesn't make me feel any more sympathy for the dead dude and it only makes me feel more contempt for the system and the other people involved
This is what I'm trying to say. The whole thing is f*#ked.
Lance is responsible for his actions, I won't argue with that. But everyone, EVERYONE, else involved is using him to specifically AVOID personal responsibility, exactly what you are arguing for.
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crasic
climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 10:03am PT
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"What about the other guy.... he did it too. How come you picking on me????"
Thats not what I'm saying, and the fact that you can't tell the difference in message is disconcerting.
Deliberate obtuseness and narrow-sightedness is not a sign of strength despite what you think, not that I would be able to convince you of that.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Oct 23, 2012 - 10:06am PT
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The Chief, should everyone who used PEDs while racing be stripped of their titles?
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Oct 23, 2012 - 10:13am PT
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LA got caught redhanded
technically, he didn't
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 23, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
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Cycling is just like business is just like Politics
Cycling shows the face of good clean family sport but behind the scenes everyone is competing as hard as possible, breaking the rules or pushing them as far as possible. The clean ones don't rise high enough to count
Business always shows a responsible face as well but employs every tactic to buy politicians to write rules in their favor even if it means polluting, outsources jobs without regard to the effect on local society, and if the business is prisons or military hardware or oil, then they advocate punishment, war and war for oil
Politics always talks about supporting freedom and democracy but behind the scenes it's war for oil and business, suppressing votes if it favors your party, and suppressing good policies if it can make the other party look bad.
People are greedy and taught to compete rather than cooperate, even if it's destructive.
Cycling is just a reflection of us all
Peace
Karl
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 23, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
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So "The Chief" spouts about "honor and integrity" while telling bald faced lies all over this thread.
Even his own foundation told him to leave, gracefully.
Really? Your statement is in direct contrast to the statements of the CEO of said foundation, who indicated it was Armstrong who broached the topic and initiated stepping down as Chairman to try ot avoid having the negative personal publicity adversely affect the Foundation. And you would have this special inside knowledge (that conflicts with accounts from both Armstrong who was the chairman as well as the CEO of the foundation) how exactly?
"Honor and integrity" indeed Chief, maybe you should learn what those words mean.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 23, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
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I do not know how true or accurate this article is
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/celebrity/money-lance-armstrong-lose-scandals/
How Much Money Will Lance Armstrong Lose From His Scandals?
By Brian Warner on October 22, 2012
It’s been a rough week for Lance Armstrong and the bad news doesn’t appear to be stopping any time soon. First, the US Anti Doping Agency found Armstrong guilty of operating “the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program” in cycling history. Following the USADA announcements that it had “overwhelming evidence” of his rampant steroid use, Lance started losing sponsors left and right. Not only does Lance stand to lose tens of millions in future endorsements but he will also likely be forced to pay back millions in prize money. But exactly how much money will Lance Armstrong lose from these steroid scandals?
In the wake of the USADA’s report Lance Armstrong was dropped by every single major sponsor including Nike, Annheuser-Busch, Radio Shack, Oakley and Trek Bicycle Corp. Armstrong also lost several lesser known endorsement deals and will unlikely be commanding six figure speaking engagements or appearance fees anytime soon. The loss of these endorsement deals are expected to cost Lance $30 million over the next few years alone.
In addition to losing out on endorsement dollars, this morning the International Cycling Union announced that they were stripping Lance of all seven of his Tour de France victories. This latest blow will likely mean that Lance will be required to pay back $4 million in prize money he earned for those victories. As if that wasn’t painful enough, with each Tour victory, Lance also received performance incentive bonuses from his US Postal Team. In total, Armstrong received $7.5 million between 2002 and and 2006 in bonuses which were paid out by a Texas based insurance company called SCA Promotions. SCA Promotions sued Armstrong back in 2005 over $5 million they refused to pay amid his steroid allegations. They ended up losing the lawsuit and had to pay the full $5 million plus another $2.5 million in damages.
So in the short term, Lance is likely going to have to pay back $12.5 million in bonuses and prize money. Plus he will lose a minimum of $30 million in short term endorsement dollars. But the real blow to Armstrong’s wallet will happen in the long run since his reputation as a champion and philanthropist has been decimated. It’s conceivable that over his lifetime, Lance Armstrong will lose hundreds of millions of dollars personally. Fortunately his net worth today is still hovering around $125 million, so he should be able to weather the storm and still have lots of dough. Just might not have very many friends to spend it with.
EDIT: but if it is relatively accurate, and he still has around $125m, then cheating does pay.
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Oct 23, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
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Yeah, information and raising money for research is terrible. I guess the answer is probably a lot more than you have.
Again Lances foundation does not raise money for cancer research it raises money for cancer awareness. Keep in mind that Lance is also the primary pulpit for that awareness so every time he mentions cancer that trip becomes a tax write off. Lance got paid very well and got many perks for being the head of that foundation.
It seems Lance and his minions want Lance to have a get out of jail free card because of his foundation. If that is the case do we starting freeing all criminals if they donate money to a cause?
What does a person have to donate to kill someone?
What does a person have to donate to stick a needle in some kids arm?
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Oct 23, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
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Really? Your statement is in direct contrast to the statements of the CEO of said foundation, who indicated it was Armstrong who broached the topic and initiated stepping down as Chairman to try ot avoid having the negative personal publicity adversely affect the Foundation. And you would have this special inside knowledge (that conflicts with accounts from both Armstrong who was the chairman as well as the CEO of the foundation) how exactly?
Really?
Major sponsors pulling out daily and you think the board did not have anything to say? It was all Lance?
Really?.....
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 23, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
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Lance Armstrong accepts lifetime ban, loss of Tour de France
That's the original title of the thread.
It's now morphed in to flame war about "The Chief"
Typical stupid sh!t that goes on this site by typical stupid people .......
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