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bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 13, 2011 - 10:23am PT
the ows isn't all foolishiness:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-occupy-wall-street-20111013,0,7112422.story

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 13, 2011 - 01:46pm PT
JE: "I'm unaware of a single ciminal foreclosure proceeding by any California bank on California real estate. Not one."

Lovegasoline: "You need to look deeper than that."

Does that mean that you can't find a counterexample to my contention?

I realize it's really unfair of those lenders to expect to be paid back, but really?

John

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 13, 2011 - 02:28pm PT
war finally posted something legible, of course he didnt write it but thats ok....

1. Break up the monopolies. The so-called "Too Big to Fail" financial companies – now sometimes called by the more accurate term "Systemically Dangerous Institutions" – are a direct threat to national security. They are above the law and above market consequence, making them more dangerous and unaccountable than a thousand mafias combined. There are about 20 such firms in America, and they need to be dismantled; a good start would be to repeal the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and mandate the separation of insurance companies, investment banks and commercial banks.

i agree with this except for the blather on mafias.


2. Pay for your own bailouts. A tax of 0.1 percent on all trades of stocks and bonds and a 0.01 percent tax on all trades of derivatives would generate enough revenue to pay us back for the bailouts, and still have plenty left over to fight the deficits the banks claim to be so worried about. It would also deter the endless chase for instant profits through computerized insider-trading schemes like High Frequency Trading, and force Wall Street to go back to the job it's supposed to be doing, i.e., making sober investments in job-creating businesses and watching them grow.

this is ok too. but it must be stuck in a rainy day fund. politicians are already notorious for robbing other funds to pay for pet projects.


3. No public money for private lobbying. A company that receives a public bailout should not be allowed to use the taxpayer's own money to lobby against him. You can either suck on the public teat or influence the next presidential race, but you can't do both. Butt out for once and let the people choose the next president and Congress.

good idea


4. Tax hedge-fund gamblers. For starters, we need an immediate repeal of the preposterous and indefensible carried-interest tax break, which allows hedge-fund titans like Stevie Cohen and John Paulson to pay taxes of only 15 percent on their billions in gambling income, while ordinary Americans pay twice that for teaching kids and putting out fires. I defy any politician to stand up and defend that loophole during an election year.

another good idea

5. Change the way bankers get paid. We need new laws preventing Wall Street executives from getting bonuses upfront for deals that might blow up in all of our faces later. It should be: You make a deal today, you get company stock you can redeem two or three years from now. That forces everyone to be invested in his own company's long-term health – no more Joe Cassanos pocketing multimillion-dollar bonuses for destroying the AIGs of the world.

if you do 1-4, then you really shouldnt need this one, so i disagree with that. but all in all a good list.

now, how do OWS accomplish this by OWS? WS will not/can not do these changes. Congress has that power.

the OWS are misguided. OCH - occupy capitol hill.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 13, 2011 - 02:50pm PT
fattrad, hopefully they will pay their taxes or perhaps thats another reason to tool them....tax evasion.

frankly, they are misguided as hell. while i have no issue with the list from rolling stone, OWS wont accomplish anything. except of course tool practice for the cops.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 13, 2011 - 03:11pm PT
war, there you go again. spouting off against women? we know you missed getting breast fed but there is help for you....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 13, 2011 - 03:17pm PT
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Oct 13, 2011 - 04:53pm PT
It's funny to hear the righties putting down the movement and saying it's nothing and ineffective as they post about it over and over. LOL.

The list of demands above is pretty good, if they can stay focused they could do some good. But as I mentioned the Tea Party has potential to do good but can't stay on the topic they should so I expect the same thing of OWS.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 13, 2011 - 04:56pm PT
i said it was inneffective. i voted for obama. i am neither right nor left but one of those forgotten centrists.

and the demand list is not bad but if you got demands you at least ought to go to those who can make the demands happen. do you think that WS can make it happen? nope. congress probably cant make it happen either but at least thats their job. its WS job to make money, not hand it out.
Gary

climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
Oct 13, 2011 - 04:59pm PT
Conservatives worship veterans...

They just don't bother to be veterans.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 13, 2011 - 05:02pm PT
Colin Powell. i would vote for him...but he's too decent to make it through a repug primary.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Oct 13, 2011 - 05:07pm PT
I wouldn't vote for Colin Powell unless he admitted and apologized for lying about WMD in Iraq. He misled the american public and lost my trust.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 13, 2011 - 05:11pm PT
Funny, I have not seen a sign or any indication that anyone is "asking for money".

Have not seen anything to suggest the protestors want to "take away" someone's money.

What they clearly want is just voice their personal frustration with what they see as glaring inequities between the rich and the middle/lower classes.

They, like a LOT of Americans, see Wall Street and the big banks getting trillion dollar bailouts when they screw up (the 2008 housing derivative meltdown).

The above frustrates and angers them.

They are not asking for anyone to "give" them anything, nor are they asking to have the rich have any of their wealth taken away from them and given to the protestors.

Simply put, they see the economic playing field as being tilted to the rich.

They feel they personally did not do anything wrong and are the ones getting screwed by losing their jobs, etc, yet the rich continue to get disproportionally richer.

Very simple, free speech. Yet very sadly there are those that feel somehow threatened, afraid, imagining that somehow they might be required under some vague new law to write a check out to one of the protestors.

The ignorance behind the "slippery slope" contention: If you smoke a reefer today, you WILL become a heroin addict tomorrow.

So better diminish and mock the protestors today, because tomorrow ................

Childish fear, that is not what they are asking for.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Oct 13, 2011 - 05:11pm PT
If you support Occupy Wall Street, sign this petion to Mayor Bloomberg protesting the imminent eviction.

http://civic.moveon.org/defend_ows/?rc=c4_defend_ows_letter.fb.v3.g0
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Oct 13, 2011 - 05:26pm PT
This one has legs

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/10/13/occupyingaspen/
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Oct 13, 2011 - 06:19pm PT
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1

great article with all the data to back up the decline of the middle class in america
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 13, 2011 - 06:32pm PT
After thirty years of his abysmal record, Rogers' constituents have had enough. This Friday, at 3pm, Oct. 14, Kentuckians for the Commonwealth will hold a peaceful demonstration at Rogers' Somerset office to ask a simple question: Doesn't Kentucky deserve better?

one of the great conundrums of republican politics. the poor people who keep on voting for the same crook....

perhaps rather than sitting in those folks should try some education to the constituents so they can vote him out...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 13, 2011 - 06:38pm PT
Obama is my shepherd; I shall not work.
He keepth jobs out of the hands of the people,
Which leadeth the country to class warfare and polarization.
He encourageth sloth; he leadeth the government to new heights in deficit spending.
Yea, though I walk in the shadow of Economic collapse,
I shall fear no depression: for Obama is with me.
His handouts and monetary indiscretion supplement my income.
He maintainest spending increases in the presence of insurmountable debt;
He punisheth businesses with excessive regulations;
And giveth the hard-earned fruits of labor to the unproductive.
Surely, handouts and stimulus payments shall follow all the days of his administration;
And I will stay unemployed forever.

TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Oct 13, 2011 - 06:45pm PT
http://www.livestream.com/occupywallstnyc
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 13, 2011 - 06:53pm PT
A public union employee, a Tea Party guy, and a bank CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies. The CEO takes 11 of the cookies, turns to the Tea Partier and says, “Watch out for that union guy; he wants your cookie.”
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 13, 2011 - 07:38pm PT
fattrad,

i think war likes you. next thing he will be talking about your nightstick...

i bet he would love to get tooled by you! be careful out there fattrad.
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