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Bob D'A

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:22am PT
We have a drunk catholic in the house...time to leave.

Blue..I don't believe in your God but from what I learned from Catholic grade school, high school and college is that God is the supreme being beyond any type of human behavior and ills...hate being one of the them.


You seem to have a problem not only with facts but also with any type of critical thinking. Sorry to confuse you.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:24am PT
Now I don't even remember what he lied about???? What did I claim?

Then man up and apologize for calling him a liar.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:28am PT
Did bluering decide to continue being a Catholic? I can't remember.
http://supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1084665/Lutheran_vs_Catholic_ot
jstan

climber
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:29am PT
Tonight's email:

Dear John,
The outpouring of support from Republican grassroots leaders like you has been extraordinary. In a little over 36 hours after Nancy Pelosi and Congressional Democrats rammed their government takeover of health care down the American people's throats, the Republican National Committee has almost tripled our original goal of raising $402,010 to Fire Nancy Pelosi.



I'm grateful for your help, but we're not done yet. At 11:15 this morning, President Obama signed into law the Pelosi Health Care Takeover. This abomination means low-quality health care, higher taxes, and a declining standard of living for all Americans.

In response to President Obama signing this monstrous bill, the RNC is extending the Fire Pelosi Money Bomb for an extra 24 hours -- that's 24 more hours to ensure our Party has the resources needed to defeat 40 Democrat Representatives and bring Nancy Pelosi's iron-fisted reign to an end.

If you haven't donated yet, please go to GOP.com right now and make a secure online donation of $40 or more to help the RNC fire Nancy Pelosi and her liberal allies in Congress. If you have already made a donation, I ask that you forward this message on to at least five of your friends, family and/or colleagues who are sick and tired of the Democrats ignoring the will of the people and urge them to support the RNC's money bomb today.

John, this is a fight for the future of our nation -- and it's a fight Republicans must win. Your help is vital to fire Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the U.S. House. Donate to the RNC's money bomb now. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Michael Steele
Chairman, Republican National Committee
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:30am PT
Blue..I don't believe in your God but from what I learned from Catholic grade school, high school and college is that God is the supreme being beyond any type of human behavior and ills...hate being one of the them.


You seems to have a problem not only with facts but also with any type of critical thinking. Sorry to confuse you.


So you're a pure Catholic now, Bob?? Kinda like a Kennedy? When it's Kosher?

EDIT:

Anders, what's your f*#king point????
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:34am PT
Blue wrote: So you're a pure Catholic now, Bob?? Kinda like a Kennedy? When it's Kosher?

Like I said you seem to have a problem with any type of critical thinking.


Drink yourself to sleep and dream of little angels and pedophile priests.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:37am PT
The motherfuker won't even man up. No balls. chickensh#t.

Must be a young as#@&%e. Older guys are man enough to admit when they are wrong.




I am out of here, goodnight from the devil.
WBraun

climber
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:42am PT
You can't leave either. The devil never sleeps.

So you lied ........
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:46am PT
I'm here, Norton....there's just little left to say.

And you may know what I mean.

Drink yourself to sleep and dream of little angels and pedophile priests.

So is that Catholicism to you???

Wow!!!! God bless ya, bro!
dktem

Trad climber
Temecula
Mar 24, 2010 - 11:29am PT
Tax cuts don't cause deficits.

SPENDING causes deficits!


Dude, with that sort of logic, I'm beginning to wonder if you are capable of balancing your own checkbook.
dktem

Trad climber
Temecula
Mar 24, 2010 - 11:31am PT

Werner's right. We're all liars.

This thread actually stayed on-topic and remained civil for quite a while...but I think we're starting to spiral...
apogee

climber
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:12pm PT
"This thread actually stayed on-topic and remained civil for quite a while...but I think we're starting to spiral..."

Yeah, that tends to happen when bluering shows up...especially when he's been drinking more than usual. The ad hominems really start to fly, and rational discussion goes by the wayside.
jstan

climber
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:26pm PT
Florida man gets 15 years for prison break-in

11:43am EDT
MIAMI (Reuters) - A Florida man has been sentenced to 15 years in prison for trying to break back into the jail where he had been held following his conviction in a manslaughter case, local media reported on Wednesday.

A judge sentenced Sylvester Jiles, 25, to the maximum 15-year penalty on Monday after his conviction earlier this year for the attempted break-in at the Brevard County Detention Center, the Florida Today newspaper said.

He apparently feared violent reprisals from family members of the manslaughter victim and suffered severe cuts when he tried scaling a 12-foot-high (3.65-meter) barbed wire fence to break into the jail.

The newspaper said Jiles had been released on probation from the jail a week before he tried to force his way back inside.

(Reporting by Tom Brown; Editing by Sandra Maler)

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62N3X820100324

What?

What?

They should have sentenced him to 15 years

OUT of jail!




With that, we are prepared once more to discuss politics.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:34pm PT
Interesting big-picture look at what's going on with health care reform: an attempt to reverse a decades-long growing economic inequality that started with Reagan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/business/24leonhardt.html?hp
dktem

Trad climber
Temecula
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:39pm PT
Latest news: They Republicans are still trying to say "no"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul

This is getting really pathetic. Now it's about nothing but spite and a partisan notion of "victory."

Country First!



jstan

climber
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:45pm PT
Here is historical data on the average tax paid by a single individual for the indicated values of adjusted gross income in 2009. The values of AGI for previous years has been adjusted down by the CPI. So each curve tracks real value of income.

I broke it out into three plots so it is easier to read.


Dirtbag's link asserts the tax system is not so progressive any more. When you fold in the strategies of delivering value by stock options taxed at 15% it is not clear whether it is a progressive system at all.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:55pm PT
ALL income should be taxed at regular personal income tax rates.

That includes capital gains and dividends.


Lift the cap on income, make everyone pay the SAME % rate of their earnings
including capital gains and dividends, collecting SS and Medicare taxes.
NO EXCEPTIONS

It is BULLCRAP that "risk" should reduce the tax rate. Risk my ass.

A 10 million dollar hedge fund manager should pay the same SS and Medicare
tax RATE as a $40,000 a year regular working person.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Mar 24, 2010 - 12:56pm PT
dirtbag wrote:Interesting big-picture look at what's going on with health care reform: an attempt to reverse a decades-long growing economic inequality that started with Reagan.


I have been saying this along...the average American worker has been losing ground for almost 30 years. Income when up slightly during the Clinton years but tanked again during Bush.

Speaking of Bush...what a clown.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/24/george-w-bush-wipes-hand_n_511188.html
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Mar 24, 2010 - 01:10pm PT
I have been saying this along...the average American worker has been losing ground for almost 30 years. Income when up slightly during the Clinton years but tanked again during Bush.

I heard an interesting interview with Bill Moyers a few months back. Don't remember the speaker, but he basically opined that there has been a class war going on since the Reagan years and the middle class lost. Sounds about right to me.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Mar 24, 2010 - 01:30pm PT
Fat..it is beyond me why any average American worker would vote for a republican when it comes to issues that benefit them.

Republicans know what buttons to push and do it quite well...gay marriage, terrorists, WMD's and so on. Really sad. Smoke and mirrors to keep from getting at the real issues.
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