Look Out! Danger!... Or... "Look Out! Weak Sauce."

Richard put up a stupid route next to an even stupider to prove that it was stupid.

What's up with the Beyer bashing? That guy has put up more routes then everyone on this thread combined.

No trails to Mount Moran have been maintained for over twenty years, and any approach overland requires a great deal of bushwhacking through vegetation, deadfalls and bogs along the perimeter of Leigh Lake. Instead, most climbers choose to canoe from String Lake, across Leigh Lake and then pick their way to their respective route; but even this may require some overland route finding. As a result, most climbs on Mount Moran tend to take several days even when the technical portion of the climb is comparatively brief.

from half a dozen posts ago he says: "I don't give a rodent's testicle about what you did on the Titan itself.... this is an interesting idea. while madbolter may not care what happens to the rock as long as it is honestly reported, i can't agree. the rock is a shared resource and what is done to the rock by another climber is something i care about. even if it is unreported and i stumble upon it.

for someone who claims that he doesn't care about another climbers acts, only their honesty, madbolter sure makes a lot of judgments about how close together and how heavy handed pelut's placements are.

hmm, i must be missing the part where he is not caring about what is done to the rock by another climber. so while he might claim that he's not interested in the role of high priest of "aid style", his words belie a different reality.

in case he's open to his own ambitions a piece of unsolicited advice: if you want to be the high priest of "aid style", and publicly call out another climber with worldwide public ridicule, that's fine.

if you've earned your position as high priest you'll probably even be taken seriously.

if the only justification for your route is that "i'm a ground up fundamentalist so in order to "discover" whether the first climb was a botch job or not, i had to to ground-up a similar line with tons of new holes", that's also, arguably, maybe, admirable. but in case you really do care about the style aspect of your high priest role, you better be willing to turn around and erase it (or at minimum have a plan to, once people have had a chance to see the evidence).

in the age of the interwebz, if you want to hold others to your religion, and stay a high priest, you have to be willing to bear the cross of your own shortcomings.

and if a person isn't able to see the hypocrisy, given the history of dramz we're all aware of thanks to said interwebz, methinks they may have stared into the abyss a trifle too long.

so while the rock may not care what a human's actions are, a lot of people do. and to me it's a lot like art. the only people who care what a piece of art is supposed to be or what the "narrative" is, are those who are too attached to their own temporary relevance in a certain area of "expertise". at the end of the day the only thing that really matters is what is on the wall.