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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 19, 2015 - 07:56pm PT
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compared to an accident, it's still stupid
Right, so prosecute stupidity/negligence harshly (like DUIs should be). Beyond that, quit hand-wringing.
A third of a billion FREE people are going to have some stupid and negligent among them. Stupid is gonna happen, and people are gonna die.
"Free" does not imply "safe," nor would truly free people want it to!
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crankster
Trad climber
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Feb 19, 2015 - 08:35pm PT
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Feb 19, 2015 - 06:41pm PT
The whole anti gun bullsh!t & hysteria is an artificial created media distraction to keep everyone busy
so no one can see all the corruption by the criminals in DC, Pentagon & wall street destroying the country .....
You could read this for a week and not find one piece of truth in it. Utter nonsense.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Feb 19, 2015 - 09:06pm PT
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They are getting prosecuted harshly, bit it could be worse for drunk drivers if we could change the law to reflect that drinking and driving is not an accident. People that kill or maim with a gun accidently receive lighter sentences than those with intent to do harm or kill.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Feb 19, 2015 - 10:33pm PT
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Statistically there are millions of more people that are in and using cars daily than there are guns being used.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 19, 2015 - 11:21pm PT
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For many, if not most, driving is just another version of Russian Roulette.
Unfortunately, in this version it is often somebody else who suffers the
consequences.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 20, 2015 - 07:52am PT
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That's what I'd expect from you, but I wasn't asking you. I was asking TE, because his is a classic gun-grabber rant, yet he frequently CLAIMS to have NO interest in "going after anybody's guns" (if, of course, they are legal to have them).
For a non-gun-grabber (unlike you), I'm panting to hear how ANY proposed law would have prevented this incident.
No gun-grabbing at all involved in my plan. Where did you get that?
Everybody keeps their guns. You can buy guns whenever you want under my plan. You just can't manufacture weapons anymore.
It might take centuries to have any effect, but just imagine. Maybe your great-great-great-great grandchildren won't have to carry a bulletproof backpack to school. Maybe when someone gets gunned down over road rage they won't yawn. Maybe they'll be shocked instead!
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 20, 2015 - 08:11am PT
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You just can't manufacture weapons anymore.
Then they must outlaw beer bottles.
One can fill it with flammable and make molotov cocktail weapon.
One can break the bottle and hold by its neck and cutting weapon it becomes.
No more knives for everyone.
No more spud guns.
Mankind will have to become dead stone.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 20, 2015 - 08:59am PT
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Driving? Meh. We gotta do it
Pretty sure there's no mention of a right to drive in the Constitution.
My point was that every time a lot, or most, people start their cars they
are committing attempted manslaughter. That they are usually unsuccessful
doesn't absolve them.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 20, 2015 - 10:03am PT
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Driving is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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It might take centuries to have any effect, but just imagine. Maybe your great-great-great-great grandchildren won't have to carry a bulletproof backpack to school. Maybe when someone gets gunned down over road rage they won't yawn. Maybe they'll be shocked instead!
The naivete' is staggering.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2015 - 10:43am PT
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they are committing attempted manslaughter. That they are usually unsuccessful doesn't absolve them.
LOL... spot on.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 20, 2015 - 10:57am PT
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Bulletproof backpack? You fell for that one?
What's a school backpack full of? If you answered "books", go to the head of the class.
A backpack full of books is already bulletproof. No up-armoring necessary.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2015 - 11:02am PT
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If you answered "books", go to the head of the class.
Chaz, Chaz... don't you realize that there IS no "head of the class" in our brand-spanking-new society?
We're ALL winners! "Head of class" implies some "non-head" kids, and there can be NO such thing.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2015 - 11:14am PT
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Maybe when someone gets gunned down over road rage they won't yawn.
Point of clarification: I wasn't yawning about the incident; I was yawning about your incessant posting of such incidents, as though you are successfully making a point.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 20, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
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Driving is a privilege. Owning a gun is a right.
What about that well regulated militia part? As for driving being more dangerous...
ACCORDING to data gathered by the Centres for Disease Control (CDC), deaths caused by cars in America are in long-term decline. Improved technology, tougher laws and less driving by young people have all led to safer streets and highways. Deaths by guns, though—the great majority suicides, accidents or domestic violence—have been trending slightly upwards. This year, if the trend continues, they will overtake deaths on the roads.
The Centre for American Progress first spotted last February that the lines would intersect. Now, on its reading, new data to the end of 2012 support the view that guns will surpass cars this year as the leading killer of under 25s. Bloomberg Government has gone further. Its compilation of the CDC data in December concluded that guns would be deadlier for all age groups.
...the National Rifle Association, whose allies in Congress also block funding for the sort of public-health research that might show, in even clearer detail, the cost of America’s love affair with guns. http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21638140-gun-now-more-likely-kill-you-car-bangers-v-bullets?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/bangersvbullets
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
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What about that well regulated militia part?
It is irrelevant to the argument you need to make:
1) the amendment presumes the existence of the right; the amendment does not grant it
2) the "militia part" is provided as one example benefit of the right and as a reason why the government should not in any way infringe upon the right
3) the "militia part" is in the antecedent position of a conditional, even if the case can be made that the amendment is in conditional form; thus the "militia part" being false in any scenario makes the whole amendment true, and in any such scenario leaves the truth value of the consequent part of the conditional unknown; and in any scenario that makes the antecedent true, the consequent is certainly true
I could go on and on. The utter and demonstrable irrelevancy of the "militia part" to the whole and to the right itself is epic!
Regarding the dangers of automobile accidents, cars have gotten safer, which has transferred the dangers from outright death to an increased risk of lifelong maiming. Look at accident statistics where injury (rather than death) is the issue, and be amazed.
Personally, I'd much rather outright die than be rendered barely functional! I've said to myself many times during my climbing career: "If I'm gonna hit that ledge, I hope I have enough velocity to outright splatter!"
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Feb 21, 2015 - 10:32am PT
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Jonnyrig, I see you deleted your post before my statistic comment and your post right after responding to it.
Really weak sauce dude.
I guess we need to start quoting you each time before you delete what you post.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:29pm PT
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Damn! Those biscuits don't stand a chance!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 23, 2015 - 02:35pm PT
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We keep making cars that are safer, and guns that are more lethal, so the question isn't when will guns kill more young people than cars, but rather why isn't that the case already?
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