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steve s
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eldo
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Yes the Dewalt 735. Had mine so long I can’t remember the model #. When purchasing used be careful who you buy off. I had the exact same one stolen off a job site in Boulder. It was even chained up.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Wayno, have fun on your endeavors and post photos along the way.
Pine floors are great in the application you describe. Maybe harden them up with several coats of a commercial grade catalyzed polyurethane, then let the distressing begin.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Republic, WA
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. Maybe harden them up with several coats of a commercial grade catalyzed polyurethane, then let the distressing begin.
Cool. That's what I was thinking. I cut the tree three summers ago. The logs got milled not quite a year later and then stacked appropriately until now, outside but under cover. I plan on bringing the boards inside for a few months before I even touch them. I'm thinking that should do. I can check moisture content with a gizmo. Pine dries fast but is also like a sponge.
I'm working on getting pics. I scored a smartphone. I'm just not savvy yet.
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Jeez. How to troll Treez. LOL
I had to hack my way back in here to give you the information you need, Wayno.
The DW735 is a great machine. I've had one since they showed up and made all the lunchbox planers look like pee wee herman at the tour de france.
Like contractor said, it works great for ripping strips of whatever a little big, and then removing the saw marks/creating a nice, suqare edge. You can run em through in staggered handfuls to eliminate snipe. it's kinda fun, unless you have nothing on the chip outlet and are getting sprayed. The 735 has a very powerful extraction fan, one of it's key features.
All that said, the 735 with stock knives is a recipe for suffering for what you are proposing to use it for. It is not heavy or powerful enough to plane any quantity of wide, knotty pine. You will find yourself trying with all your might to shove the f*#ker through there while exploding knots put your knives out of their misery.
You can put a helix cutter knive in the 735 for about $400 now, I believe. They were 600 when I got mine. That will change things A LOT. It makes the motor half as loud, because it's working half as hard. The helix seemed to handle knots better also. That was just one time though. I rarely find myself working with knotty wood when the planer is involved. Hardly ever jobsite plane anymore at all.
Anyway, what you need at a minimum is a 600# cast iron Grizzly 20", preferably with a Helix also. Knurled rollers come with those. The rubber ones on the DW735 slip very easily. I had a Grizzly and it is a whole different ballgame from the 735. That one went with the ex wife. Now I have a 20"JET that I got used.
A Grizzly 20" stock isn't much more money than a 735 with a Helix, and would be superior for your intent. You will need a separate dust extractor.
BUT, best option is to watch Craigslist for the biggest, oldest hunk of cast iron that needs a new parking spot. You did say you weren't moving. You need heft and HP for that knotty pine. Flat knife on a portable ain't gonna do it.
Good luck.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Wow, treezyproof- Great info!
There's this lumber and trim yard in San Diego, Frost Lumber, that likes to keep their equipment operating so they have great prices on miling. They have a catalog of all the historic trim profiles they've cut over the years which is very cool. Set-up for making custom knives is about $350 plus milling- not bad on a medium sized home.
So hauling all your lumber to a mill may be the best option.
I'd buy quality tools in this order.
A sharp pencil
Skill saw
Table saw
Chop saw
Compressor
Nail guns
Makita 18v drill/impact set (maybe this one first)
Palm sander
Jig saw
Router
Belt sander
Door planer
Surfacer
Biscuit jointer
Templico door jig kit
Pocket screw jig
Where to stop!
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Republic, WA
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Great info Treeez, thanks. I wondered about those knots. When I used my router sled on that table I started out taking off 1/16" the first pass. Not bad on the knots. As I went more the knots would give me some trouble. 1/8" was max without gouging. My router is only 2 1/2 horses. I have a better one on the way. Pine knots are burly compared to the soft wood. A bit of finesse helps.
Contractor, I have all those tools except the last four and a jigsaw. I do have a small handheld, not to mention a bunch of hand-tools. I can sharpen just about anything and there are lots of used tools that just need some blade work. I picked up a Makita hand-planer for 15 bucks. It just needed the blades sharpened. Nice tool to take off the high spots when setting up the slabs for router planing.
There are a couple of small mills in town but they are just bandsaw rigs for cutting boards. The local building material/lumber yard only has the basics. Spokane has some better equipped operations but that is over three hours away. I will make the occasional trip there but you see my situation, I'm kinda remote here.
One of the local mills sells live-edge slabs but they don't have the stuff or the time to do finishing and some people want them finished. They offered me work finishing slabs. I have been working out how to do this in my shop and what to charge. It's been fun. This brings up the sanding/planing issue. Sanding is a pain and it does clog the pores especially with soft woods. The dust is a nightmare when you get to finishing. With the router sled there is some sanding that you really can't avoid unless your set-up is dead-nuts perfect.
I really appreciate all the info you guys. A lot of stuff I have already gleaned but to hear it from a pro really helps. Thank you all.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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The planer’s capacity decides how wide, deep and fast you can cut. The 735 with stock knives will do anything that fits through it all day long, it’s just that your work may take longer because you can’t take as much off per pass as one powered by a Chevy 350. Grizzly and such chinese cast iron monsters are a really large boat anchor to have in your shop unless you’ve got some serious square footage and/or you plan on getting a ton of use from the equipment.
+1 to at least price having the boards milled. You might spend more time and money - and run the greater risk of ruining a lot of material - cutting the toungue and groove than doing the planing. Cutting a straight and consistent T-G will be cruxy with equipment found in any but the most capable of shops.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Republic, WA
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True about the tongue and groove but in my experience there are some techniques for nailing t&g together when the boards aren't perfect and the stuff you buy is far from perfect. I did my bathroom with some cabin grade t&g pine I got cheap. Lot's of fudging. Quite a few knot holes that at first I avoided but then figured how to fill them by cutting pieces of branch and a little sanding and glue. Worked great. There are some simple jigs you can make to get everything lined up for nailing.
One thing I have to deal with here that you Cali guys probably don't worry about much is the cold. I was redoing by bench top and had a couple sheets of 3/4" plywood that were outside overnight. That flat sheet of plywood was a potato chip in the morning. Yikes.
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Sure thing Wayno. Not sure why JLP is lying to you.
If you're going to be surfacing pine that you've milled yourself, that has never seen a kiln, you will be totally f*#ked with a 735. Not what it was designed for. Part of the problem is only having top rollers that are rubber. The thing will blow its circuit protector, then you'll have to raise the knives and remove your screwed up piece.
A small removal pass is even more sensitive to the heft of the machine.
It's just physics.
I wouldn't be here if I didn't have direct experience with this sh#t.
Anyone who tells you he can shove anything that will fit all day long through a 735 should probably run for office.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Yeah, there’s gotta be somebody around with a proper planer who could run 200 bf for you in 10 minutes for a reasonable price ($25). He might even have a proper shaper to do yer T&G.
I get that yer into DIY but sometimes it just doesn’t make sense.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Republic, WA
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I have been going back and forth in my mind about the surface planer and that's why i asked here. That 735 does seem like a good little machine but I don't want to drop the bucks and then regret it. Several guys I know have given me similar advice so I'm going to wait and find that old boat anchor. I don't need portability, only need 240v. I'll have that soon enough.
It's a whopping 10 degrees F here now and the dogs are out there barking at the wild turkeys. If I don't heat the shop it will be about 30 in there. Time to fire up the pellet stove. Let me see if I can get a few pics.
Edit- you're right Reilly but I'm new in town and so far I haven't come across anyone. At this point I don't mind the PITA of DIY. That might change. I don't do Facebook but the wife does and there is a fairly active local FB page. Maybe I'll get her to post something.
I realize that a lot of what I post here is wishful thinking. Bear with me. Whatever happens I'll enjoy the ride.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Feb 22, 2019 - 09:10am PT
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My boat bookshelf surprisingly looks a little boat like. Haha! Paint still drying.
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 24, 2019 - 03:15pm PT
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Not familiar with that one in particular.
Like I said above, I’ve found that any “job site” planer has limited use and is rarely up to task.
Not enough heft to prevent serious deflection, which defeats the purpose. This can be demonstrated by noticing the difference between running a 4 inch piece through in the center, as opposed to close to one of the edges of the cutter head.
It’s simply an activity that requires power and stability to spare.
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 24, 2019 - 03:29pm PT
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I’ve been making these carpenter themed coat racks for a while now.
I just made this one in memory of my friend Ryan Johnson. Those are the Mendenhall Towers. There is a small raven above the 4/5 gulley and a little tear drop where he still remains on the backside.
I’m not happy with the lighting in trying to photograph it. I installed it in a doctor clients house that I’ve done a lot of work in as a gift. They are climbing enthusiasts and Towers fans.
I’m not too proud to admit that I tried to weld that Titanium ax head on there, lol. Had to resort to epoxy for that. The Towers are fairly accurate for freehanding 1/8 plate with the plasma cutter. The glacier is galvy sheet metal from a duct. Background is birch skin wth “unicorn spit” gel stain (knot kidding) sprayed with poly. I leave all the steel raw and clean with acetone.
I love making these things and people seem to like them. That first one is in my place, it won several ribbons in the State fair.
For a good time, try slicing a hammer head in half long ways with a cutoff disc. Lol
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Mar 24, 2019 - 06:10pm PT
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Looks great! I like the linear view of the mountain scape.
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 24, 2019 - 06:53pm PT
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Thanks!
Like I said, photo doesn't really capture the patinas, textures, or colors. My efforts to correct that didn't help much.
The homeowners are in Australia right now, so I left a note next to it forbidding the housesitters from sending photos or descriptions, lol. I'm pretty sure they don't lurk Supertopo or I would have heard about it before, also lol.
Some of you may recognize that stool and apron from before I cursed at Lituya and was shown the door for a while, triple lol.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Mar 24, 2019 - 07:07pm PT
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I was just thinking about this thread and it pops up top of the list. I spent the day cutting and drilling holes in metal, affixing a steel plate to the floor of my van as part of anchoring a rear sliding seat/bed. No pics yet.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Mar 25, 2019 - 07:39am PT
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Hey Contractor,
It looks like you have 6 projects going all the time. Do you sub everything or have big crew? I'm jelly of the quality of your projects and the relaxed nature of your posts. Any wisdom to share?
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Mar 25, 2019 - 09:33pm PT
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