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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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I know some really solid christians and christians i wouldn't throw a life preserver to...
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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^^ I was coming down the grade a year or so ago and asked my aunt why she supported Trump.Exact words from her "I'm a christian, I have to."
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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xCon
Social climber
909
Sep 7, 2018 - 06:42pm PT
his parents shelled out 57 grand a year for the private high school they sent this sh#t to
Whose parents?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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https://www.reuters.com/video/2018/09/07/verbatim-nixon-aide-says-troubled-by-kav?videoId=462142231
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/john-dean-warn-senate-kavanaugh-confirmation-would-lead-most-pro-n907516
WASHINGTON — Former Nixon White House counsel John Dean said Friday that if Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed, and the president were to shoot someone on New York’s Fifth Avenue — as President Trump joked in 2016 he could safely do — that president would be immune from consequences while they occupied the White House.
“Under Judge Kavanaugh’s recommendation, if a president shot somebody in cold blood on Fifth Avenue, that president could not be prosecuted while in office,” Dean, a key witness in the Watergate hearings, testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee Friday.
in contrast
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Nixon, said Dean, "left because the man at his core had a respect for the rule of law" while Trump "could care less about the rule of law."
In testimony to the Judiciary Committee on Friday, Dean said that if Kavanaugh joined the high court, “it will be the most presidential powers-friendly court in the modern era.”
Kavanaugh has a broad view of presidential powers, Dean argued, which he said includes having the Congress immunize sitting presidents from both civil and criminal liability. Dean added that he’s still unclear whether Kavanaugh believes United States v. Nixon was correctly decided after his two days of congressional testimony this week.
Dean, who also testified at the confirmation hearing for now-Chief Justice John Roberts in 2005, said that Kavanaugh has not been truly vetted, pointing to the large numbers of documents that are being withheld from the Senate and the public. He said that there was an “across-the-board failure” by the Senate to fully vet former Justice William Rehnquist and current Justice Clarence Thomas when they were both nominees that wound up haunting their careers.
“Because of the withholding of documents, Judge Kavanaugh may be traveling the same path as Rehnquist and Thomas,” Dean said Friday. “Frankly, I’m surprised that Judge Kavanaugh is not demanding that every document that he ever handled be reviewed by this committee — unless, of course, there’s something to hide.”
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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The Kavanaugh hearings are a sham...Republican cronyism ramming their politics down America's throat...
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Trump won by giving lip service to the middle and working classes. Sanders actually cares, that's the difference.
No doubt Sanders was the most moral of the bunch. But it was Hillary who destroyed him--and liberals who abandoned him.
The torches and pitchforks are coming. Don't take my word for it.
Better think that one through. It might not go well.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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If, or most likely, when Kavanaugh is confirmed, all pretense of the Supreme Court as an impartial judicial entity will be gone. It will be nothing more than a political arm of the Republican party.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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He plead guilty to lying to the FBI. That's it.
Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to avoid being tried and convicted of more serious crimes.
That is how a plea bargain works. A defendant pleads to lesser charges in order to avoid legal exposure to more serious charges. Mueller has not revealed the original charges Papadopoulos was facing when became scared and pleaded guilty.
Paul Manafort's partner, Rick Gates, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud the U.S. and lying to investigators, with a maximum penalty of about five years in Federal prison. Gates was facing many of the same money laundering, hidden bank account, and tax evasion charges that will put Manafort in prison for the rest of his life. Gates' original charges are known, because he committed his crimes with Manafort, who chose to risk a jury trial.
Also, prosecutors will weigh a defendant's ability to provide evidence or testimony when offering a very favorable plea bargain. Michael Cohen's taxi business partner was facing a decade, or more, in Federal prison. His plea bargain promises him no jail time, at all, because he is willing to testify. Papadopoulos has already indicated he may testify against Jeff Sessions, and refute Sessions' earlier sworn statements before Congress regarding a proposed meeting between Trump and Putin during the election.
It is incorrect to say that Papadopoulos was only guilty of lying.
TRUMP'S RALLIES ARE A FRAUD
A heckler, of sorts, was ejected from a Trump rally in Billings, Montana for his facial expressions of disbelief, incredulity and amusement. The "Plaid Shirt Guy" was standing right behind Trump, and reacted in a very normal fashion to the crazy things that Trump was saying. But, since he was highly visible in the carefully-controlled television feed, Trump's staff came on camera, and ejected him, right there, on TV.
Plaid Shirt Guy said that when he and two friends arrived, the crowd was coached by Trump's handlers to be enthusiastic, to clap on cue, and to generally behave like a crowd of trained seals while Trump fed them his rotten-fish nonsense. Trump's staff tried to get Plaid Shirt Guy and his two friends to wear MAGA hats, but they refused. Other people at the rally adorned themselves with Trump's hats, t-shirts, banners and signs.
Plaid Shirt Guy said he was ejected for not being enthusiastic enough. Trump's staff came back on camera a short time later, and also ejected his two friends for not properly following the farcical script.
Trump's rallies are a fraud. His supporters are clothed and accessorized with shirts, hats, banners and signs as they file into the building, as if they were extras coming onto a movie set. They are instructed, coached and trained to behave in a certain way. They are expected to cheer and clap on cue. They are ordered to feign enthusiasm. Anyone who doesn't properly act out the staged performance is ejected.
Pretty soon, Trump rallies will have a catering truck, pay attendees $200 a day, and offer the rare potential of a speaking role if the director likes their look.
PLAID SHIRT GUY INTERVIEW
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2018 - 10:35pm PT
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No doubt Sanders was the most moral of the bunch. But it was Hillary who destroyed him--and liberals who abandoned him Absolutely. The Clinton machine who threatened to take down Obama without a payoff, ruined Gore's chances and rigged the primary against Bernie has done incalculable damage to the Democratic party.
The big difference here is that Democrats quickly moved away from Hillary and most readily admit her failings. That said, the Joint Chiefs and Intelligence heads admitted that she was always prepared and knowledgeable of the circumstances.
In contrast, Trump is a incurious, incompetent, treasonous, corrupt, wannabe autocrat who currently enjoys an 80% approval rating amongst Republican voters.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I saw the funniest thing on CNN. The founder and leader of Women For Trump was trying, unsuccessfully, to defend Trump in the wake the Op-Ed and Woodward's book.
Her funniest line was something like:
Democrats have no reason to impeach Trump. Impeaching Trump won't make Hillary president.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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The big difference here is that Democrats quickly moved away from Hillary and most readily admit her failings.
We'll see about that -- rumor has it she's planning on running in '20. Seems kinda crazy, but no more so than anything else going on in politics these days!
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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The big difference here is that Democrats quickly moved away from Hillary and most readily admit her failings.
Respectfully, I haven't seen it.
That said, the Joint Chiefs and Intelligence heads admitted that she was always prepared and knowledgeable of the circumstances.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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No doubt Sanders was the most moral of the bunch. But it was Hillary who destroyed him--and liberals who abandoned him.
Liberals know what is wrong with the system, they just won't do what is needed to fix the system. That's why I respect Reagan over Bill Clinton. Reagan was upfront, he told us that he was going to f*#k the middle and working classes. I give him credit for honesty.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So the sexual harassment thread got axed? That’s weak and indicative why there’s no hope for this country - dialogue is impossible.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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So the sexual harassment thread got axed? That’s weak and indicative why there’s no hope for this country - dialogue is impossible.
that thread was the proverbial dead horse, even with the return of Warbler it was not very productive. Western civilization will live on without it
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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xCon
Social climber
909
Sep 8, 2018 - 05:55am PT
you know if these conservatives had had the spine to confront the bush administrations cheerleading propaganda soas to invade Iraq
the liberals wouldn't be getting away with the misdirection which myopic focus on Russia IS
AND we would have 5 trillion more dollars in the bank...
Don't forget all those spineless Democrats who voted with Bush.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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The tRumpinatis’ obsession with Hillary is just weird.
But then if you helped elect a deranged, pathological liar I guess deflection is your only hope.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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"its like a bunch of tampa bay fans that still gloat about winning the super bowl"
Trent Dilfer for President!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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that thread was the proverbial dead horse,
And this is such a paragon of enlightened discourse?
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