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Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Feb 17, 2017 - 08:21pm PT

Every single day I ask myself the same question of you clowns.... then it hits me... ejaculating into the echo chamber™™™

Russ, I have come to suspect you might not be a Democrat....

Look, fine with me if you think all's hunky dory in the White House. I see things from a different perspective.

Today as I was sitting on my ass at Starbucks, writing the post about the Asshat, a family of three came and sat nearby. An acquaintance of the man in the family came by, and we ended up chatting. The topic of "The Wall" came up, and at one point the man, of Mexican descent, told me a bit of what he has been dealing with "since Trump."

He is a U.S. citizen, works as a television producer, and a while back bought a place here in Yucca somewhere. Looking at him, you would likely guess he is of Mexican heritage. His wife looked to be perhaps from South America, of White Spanish ancestry. Their little boy of five or six, a mix of the two.

He said it took about a year of getting new place worked on, and during that time they kept their dogs with a friend in Mexico, not far over the border. They would go back each week to visit and manage care for the dogs. He said that each and every time he went through the border, he got stopped for further questioning, even as the same agents got to recognize them.

He talked about a neighbor near his place here, who he described as "a fat white guy who always seemed angry," and the nasty way the man would talk to himself, when out in the yard, referring to this man and his family as "beaners." He says there has been a very obvious sense of hostility from strangers as he goes about his daily life. He said "You just can't imagine what it is like, because it's not something you would ever experience, as a white person in this country."

This is a man who doesn't look in the least like a "lazy and at the same time job-stealing" wetback illegal alien. He looks like a guy who works at a job that takes more of an emotional work than one that is manually taxing. He dresses casually but cleanly and nicely. Probably makes a good salary but is not ostentatious. His English was that of a person who speaks it as first language. As he spoke, when I looked to his wife, her eyes were pained at times. They told me that the son recently asked him about "the difference" between people according to their skin color. He knows he has to teach that son about the reality that he will be discriminated against because he has brown skin, but that (his words) "You poop, and so does the person with lighter skin color, and so does the person with darker skin color. We all poop the same." He said, about the hassles at border, and the looks and interactions with people, that he "knows he has to make the best of it; not get angry, not get defensive." But it is tiring.

This is the SH#T that decent people are dealing with courtesy of the Trump Nationalism. So, pardon me if I don't lay down and say nothing about what is going on.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Sands Motel , Las Vegas

Feb 17, 2017 - 08:22pm PT

Jody...I thought you were married and strait...? Anyway...You're wrong...Drive over and buy me dinner...RJ

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

Sands Motel , Las Vegas

Feb 17, 2017 - 08:36pm PT

Even for the Taco Bell drive thru...?

Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber

Feb 17, 2017 - 08:52pm PT

RoguePOTUSStaff wrote, about the Trump Media Survey:

Source code looks like the survey data not even collected, the only purpose of the page is to direct ppl to donation page. Anyone confirm?

Any of you all who can analyze that sort of thing?

It would just be "So DT" to have made a truly fake poll to put the hand out, when he calls all the other polls fake.

NutAgain!

Trad climber

South Pasadena, CA

Feb 17, 2017 - 08:54pm PT

I'm not forgetting to reply to the other stuff we were discussing Madbolter, but not ready to dig into that right now. I'll get to it eventually.

Interesting article:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/17/515630467/with-fake-news-trump-moves-from-alternative-facts-to-alternative-language

While the Internet has been democratizing in some ways, creating widespread access to information, it is also destabilizing democracy by undermining a system of media due diligence and reputation and being a fundamental gateway of sharing a message with the public. This former power of the media acted as another check and balance in our democracy, where government leaders had to respect the press because that was the only way to communicate on a large scale with the public and attain public support. Trump has taken the new reality to the logical conclusion by completely bypassing this tier of information vetting, communicating directly to his enraptured base who are ready to consume whatever he has to say. He is cementing this dynamic and creating permanent distrust in media institutions so that real facts and truth will not deter his followers from supporting him.

I don't see a universal way to solve this problem because there will always be a spectrum of people who aren't intelligent and just choose a leader in which to have faith. And there are going to be economic and cultural problems that limit access to and perceived value of education. Any other way of dealing with it seems to infringe on freedom of speech and creates its own separate slippery slope. Do we need to expand laws related to lying? I think we do. If there is no downside to publicly lying, but there is an upside in terms of stupid people supporting the liar, then it encourages lying. I don't think our policies and legal system should support lying. I think this goes for Dem or Repub before anybody tries to make this partisan.

thebravecowboy

climber

The Good Places

Feb 17, 2017 - 09:03pm PT

Do we need to expand laws related to lying? I think we do. If there is no downside to publicly lying, but there is an upside in terms of stupid people supporting the liar, then it encourages lying. I don't think our policies and legal system should support lying. I think this goes for Dem or Repub before anybody tries to make this partisan.

Yes.

My friend's child speaks the word pussy these days. Not from a comic book or a tabloid or a skanky personals ad......I suppose you might call it sex ed but I'll be damned if people with a Calvin pissing on "my Ex" bumpersticker know how exactly two become one.....

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Feb 17, 2017 - 09:11pm PT

jody= anti constitution. anti gay. anti environment, anti intellectualism, anti science, anti human rights, anti civil rights, anti immigration, anti health care, anti reproductive rights,
anti truth, anti morality, anti christian, anti gun control, anti women, anti american anti everything. why do you hate amekkka jody?

Russ Walling

Social climber

from Poofters Froth, Wyoming

Feb 17, 2017 - 09:16pm PT

happegrrllll: That is a nice anecdotal story.

All that tells is that maybe a guy has an as#@&%e neighbor, and his frequent border crossings are noticed by the guys that are supposed to notice. Welcome to the real world.

And for the record, I'm not in the hunky dory crowd as far as the Whitehouse. Never have been.

Fat Dad

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

Feb 17, 2017 - 10:08pm PT

Isn't it remarkable how patriotic Jody is but he's gloating over how much of an anti-democracy, 1s Amendment, Constitution hating horror show Trump is. And when Der Fuhrer does something really embarrassing, he falls back on the 'I didn't vote for him' spiel. Like all the Republicans in Congress, he doesn't love this country. He only loves the Republican party.

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Feb 17, 2017 - 10:11pm PT

why don't you just sack up and admit you're

Fritz

Social climber

Choss Creek, ID

Feb 17, 2017 - 10:19pm PT

I always find it interesting when I see, or hear conservatives bitching about mandatory seat belt laws, like Werner did tonight.

When I first saw these signs " Click It Or Ticket" I wondered what they were related to.

Then I looked it up and found out it was for seat belts.

I never wore those stoopid belts.

I was free soloing down the road .....

Of course any true patriot doesn't use seat belts, just to show those government folks that they are true Americans, not sheep.

I was thus amused a few years back, when very conservative, ex-Idaho Congresswoman, Helen Chenoweth died because whe was driving without her seat belt in a one-car rollover in rural Nevada.

From Wikipedia:

During her tenure, she was referred to by her most outspoken critics as a "poster-child for the militias," and in February 1995 she voiced the suspicion that armed federal agents were landing black helicopters on Idaho ranchers' property to enforce the Endangered Species Act, in line with a longstanding conspiracy theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Chenoweth-Hage

Contractor

Boulder climber

Feb 17, 2017 - 10:20pm PT

Yep Fat Dad.

Jody is the Neville Chamberlain of Super Topo, albeit less eloquent. Just another tard fooled by a tyrant traitor.

"Peace in our Time"
"So Far, so Good"

Claims that will exist in the lexicon of goofballs that have been duped.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California now Ireland

Feb 18, 2017 - 05:07am PT

I recall not too long ago some folks from your neck of the woods were killing folks not too far to the South and vis versa.

Fear, I just live in Ireland, my neck of the woods was originally California. Yes, humans are tribal, and many can be blindly led.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Feb 18, 2017 - 07:31am PT

These so called "Patriots" hate our Government but love the Republican Party. They are Nationalists, not Patriots.

They do everything to dismantle our Great Constitutional Government by defunding Depts., appointing enemies to the Dept to be the head, and brainwash the supporters to go along with it even though it's going to screw them personally.

The biggest scam in the Patriot movement is Low Taxes
The One thing that would demonstrate True Patriotism would being paying your fair share of taxes.
What is the Number One thing you can do for this country as a Patriot, give the Government money to operate.

But no, since these guys aren't true Patriots but just shills for their leaders they spew anti-patriotic memes of the need for Low Taxes for the rich and Corps. It's a cult, these people are easily led to anger, fear, blame, greed, by hypnotic talk show leaders. They live in a bubble of misinformation.

Defund the Gov. and it's protections and services die, and let fascism rule in it's place, that is the end game and the Right Wing leaders are using their followers to make that happen

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Feb 18, 2017 - 07:38am PT

Hey Nutagain
If you want to learn more about what's at the core
Read these 2 books

1) Conservatives Without Conscience: John W. Dean

2) Dark Money, Jane Mayer

Why is America living in an age of profound economic inequality? Why, despite the desperate need to address climate change, have even modest environmental efforts been defeated again and again? Why have protections for employees been decimated? Why do hedge-fund billionaires pay a far lower tax rate than middle-class workers?

The conventional answer is that a popular uprising against “big government” led to the ascendancy of a broad-based conservative movement. But as Jane Mayer shows in this powerful, meticulously reported history, a network of exceedingly wealthy people with extreme libertarian views bankrolled a systematic, step-by-step plan to fundamentally alter the American political system.

The network has brought together some of the richest people on the planet. Their core beliefs—that taxes are a form of tyranny; that government oversight of business is an assault on freedom—are sincerely held. But these beliefs also advance their personal and corporate interests: Many of their companies have run afoul of federal pollution, worker safety, securities, and tax laws.

The chief figures in the network are Charles and David Koch, whose father made his fortune in part by building oil refineries in Stalin’s Russia and Hitler’s Germany. The patriarch later was a founding member of the John Birch Society, whose politics were so radical it believed Dwight Eisenhower was a communist. The brothers were schooled in a political philosophy that asserted the only role of government is to provide security and to enforce property rights.

When libertarian ideas proved decidedly unpopular with voters, the Koch brothers and their allies chose another path. If they pooled their vast resources, they could fund an interlocking array of organizations that could work in tandem to influence and ultimately control academic institutions, think tanks, the courts, statehouses, Congress, and, they hoped, the presidency. Richard Mellon Scaife, the mercurial heir to banking and oil fortunes, had the brilliant insight that most of their political activities could be written off as tax-deductible “philanthropy.”

Sport climber

Sonora Ca

Feb 18, 2017 - 07:57am PT

As a man falling from a skyscraper sailed by the tenth floor someone inside asked him, "how's it going?
He replied, "so far so good."

c wilmot

climber

Feb 18, 2017 - 08:01am PT

The Koch bros give the CPB major funding every year. The CPB created and largely funds NPR...

Something to think about when you listen to "public" radio