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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Sooo.... you posted a link. Sorry, but that's not a 'citation' in any relevant sense. Who is "James Wright"? What he wrote is truly "mere opinion," and, again, it is not correct.
Please, seriously, watch the video. I'll take Feynman's "opinion" over "James Wright's" any day.
The line "Some aspects of the science of AGW are known with near 100% certainty" is pure, steaming snakesh|t. Science simply cannot "know" ANYTHING at all, certainly not with ANY "certainty."
All loose-talk about "most confirmed theory" that scientists often use for the public is a lie, and they know it. Confirmationism in science has been known dead for fifty years!
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F
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away from the ground
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$hit Malemute. When you've got awesome assertions like Science simply cannot "know" ANYTHING at all, certainly not with ANY "certainty." coupled with a contentious personality, the privilege of being "correct", and undoubtably YUGE hands, who needs compelling evidence of anything. All one needs is the company of a mirror.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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I'm beginning to think that MB1 is one of those sad unfortunates who likes warm beer.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Keep it up, MB. Malemute is an evangelical fundamentalist warmer. The more you press, the more his zealotry is Exposed. Keep up the good work. 😆
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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If you honestly believe that scientific results can not "indicate" anything, I invite you to go play in traffic to use your admirable intellectual honesty to disprove to us all that playing in traffic is dangerous. Please don't stop until you're 99.99999999% sure.
But for the rest of our sakes, please don't do it with our climate.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Let's create climate change insurance and make anyone who denies climate change pay a higher premium to cover damage caused by climate change...Draught , ski area closures , crop failure , flooding of coastal communities , forest fire...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Keep it up, MB. Malemute is an evangelical fundamentalist warmer. The more you press, the more his zealotry is Exposed. Keep up the good work.
They are incapable of learning. So, they just bandy about phrases like "logical fallacies," as if they know what that even means, and call it good, rubbing their tiny (anti-yuge) hands together in self-satisfied glee. LOL
I keep telling 'em that I don't give a rat's left buttock about the "proof" for or against global warming, because I'm not a "denier," so that aspect of the debate is irrelevant to me. But, noooo... unable to read with comprehension, they keep asking me to "prove" something that is totally irrelevant. Pretty pathetic.
Oh, and you gotta love ME having the "contentious personality," which is shorthand for: ANYBODY who disagrees with whatever point is the "standard" is just being contentious (and therefore bad, very bad).
I've come to conclude that the liberal mindset is literally INCAPABLE of even imagining that anybody else could REASONABLE disagree with them. Disagreement just means stupidity, insanity, or wickedness of some sort.
Look, Malu.... I'm not arguing with you about climate change! Try to get that point through your thick skull. I'm agreeing with you that climate change is real, that it is 100% caused by man, that it is producing dramatic global warming, and ANY other contention you wish to float. I'll drink the FULL cup of liberal Kool-aid!
But....
I think that global warming is GOOD! Bring it on! The whole Earth will be generally better for it. The small subset of people that presently live in areas that will become desert can MOVE. The MAJORITY of the planet is going to become habitable and arable, which is critical to support our ever-growing population. The whole continent of Antarctica will open to farming! Sweet!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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If you honestly believe that scientific results can not "indicate" anything, I invite you to go play in traffic
That's a confused comparison, so confused that a forum thread is not the venue to straighten it out. You won't abide a WoT, so you won't abide the rigorous argument needed to straighten it out.
Sorry
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Draught , ski area closures , crop failure , flooding of coastal communities , forest fire
ROLF
Okay, let's take it one by one....
Drought -- Nope. The warmer the air is, the more water vapor it can hold, the more rainfall occurs, etc. Look across known geological time, and what you see without exception is that periods of higher temps were also periods with lush forests and much more of the planet habitable.
Ski area closures -- REALLY? That's worthy of mention as a global catastrophe? ROFL
Crop failure -- In some isolated areas, sure. But globally, it's a yuge benefit! MUCH more of the Earth will be arable than presently. Remember, we're not fully recovered from the last ice age. Let's get more surface area opened up to growth!
Flooding of coastal communities -- Okay, so what? As I've said, a subset of people won't like it. But that's IRRELEVANT from a planetary perspective! Worse than irrelevant, it magnifies the PREFERENCES of a subset of HUMANS over what's best for the planet AND the majority of humans.
Forest fire -- Nope. See above. The Earth will get wetter in general, with fewer forest fires. Is there a major forest fire problem in the Amazon rain forest? Nope. So, spread that climate around a LOT, and it's a good thing.
Don't think in narrow, preference terms. Think globally and in geological terms. If you want to "save the planet," global warming is a yuge contributor to that very thing!
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Some real gems there, Mudbolter.
I especially like this one.
I think that global warming is GOOD! Bring it on! The whole Earth will be generally better for it. The small subset of people that presently live in areas that will become desert can MOVE. The MAJORITY of the planet is going to become habitable and arable, which is critical to support our ever-growing population. The whole continent of Antarctica will open to farming! Sweet!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Angry Bolter... So Cal. exist thanks to Sierra and Coloradan snows...No snow , no wa, wa for So cal......Not a bad thing IMHO...Snow levels keep rising leaving less wa, wa for So Cal... water rationing is the norm in so cal which means there are no lush tropical forests...These circumstances were predicted by scientist decades ago...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Watch it, RJ, talk more sh!t and I'll send my homies up there to drain Mammoth Creek!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Reilly...I'm posting from the res...Come and get me...
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Venus has a hellish atmosphere, consisting mainly of carbon dioxide with clouds of sulfuric acid, and scientists have only detected trace amounts of water in the atmosphere. The atmosphere is heavier than that of any other planet, leading to a surface pressure 90 times that of Earth.
At the present rate of climate change, this is what Earth will be like in a few million years. It will be uninhabitable in only about three hundred years. Think about it, study it. Denying it doesn't change it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Izzat yer new job - reservoir dawg?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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MB1,
Denying the major effects of climate change is another form of denial.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
see arguments 8, 18, 24, 34, 107, 178 etc.
"I'll drink the FULL cup of liberal Kool-aid!"
it's not political, it's science.
But.... I think that global warming is GOOD! Bring it on! The whole Earth will be generally better for it. The small subset of people that presently live in areas that will become desert can MOVE. The MAJORITY of the planet is going to become habitable and arable, which is critical to support our ever-growing population. The whole continent of Antarctica will open to farming! Sweet!
Drought -- Nope. The warmer the air is, the more water vapor it can hold, the more rainfall occurs, etc.
The Earth will get wetter in general.
Crop failure -- In some isolated areas, sure. But globally, it's a yuge benefit! MUCH more of the Earth will be arable than presently."
"Flooding of coastal communities -- Okay, so what? As I've said, a subset of people won't like it. But that's IRRELEVANT from a planetary perspective! Worse than irrelevant, it magnifies the PREFERENCES of a subset of HUMANS over what's best for the planet AND the majority of humans."
You are making up facts. Destroying huge numbers of species is not a positive for the planet. Extreme weather events are not a positive. Climate change will benefit only a small minority of people. These changes have already been studied. Try looking it up sometime instead of making up your own guesses.
Changes will depend on the specific region. Most of the American west is predicted to be dryer, even if total precip doesn't change much. Less precip will be snow, snowpack will be lower and melt sooner, so we lose much of our biggest and best reservoir of water. More of the water will evaporate and run off to the ocean. So there will be less usable water. The same is true for billions of people who use runoff from the Himalaya. Trees and plants migrate much slower than the pace of climate change.
Some areas might benefit. Others will no longer support the large numbers of people who live there. This is a taking, a foisting of unwanted changes on others. What might it cost to rebuild 5-10% of the entire infrastructure on Earth? $100 trillion?
Are you personally going to pay to move and build infrastructure for hundreds of millions of people to Siberia and Canada? (who don't want these refugees?.
Climate change is about people foisting their selfish fossil fuel use on others who can't afford to adapt. And it will affect half of the world population. Maybe through war. Are you personally prepared to adopt and foster 10 people from Bangladesh whose land is now underwater?
http://ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/AR5_SYR_FINAL_SPM.pdf
chart 9 predicts lower crop yields.
Another interesting graph in those assessments
http://ipcc.ch/report/graphics/index.php?t=Assessment Reports&r=AR5 - WG3&f=SPM
chart 4 shows nearly equal GHG contributions to increased population and to increased GDP per capita, with some offset due to less intense energy use per GDP. But also quite a shift with time towards increased GDP.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Let's cut to the chase......The net effect remains: Science does NOT "prove," "indicate," "confirm," or in ANY other way "show" anything. It has no capacity to do that. So, there CAN be no "compelling evidence" that ANY theory is "correct." Science can ONLY disprove theories, never confirm them. But don't take my word for it.... Seriously. Watch it and learn something. After all, this is one of the gods of physics talking.
It's funny when someone posts a quote or video that completely disproves the very point they are attempting to make. As Feynman says in the video posted by MB1, science can indicate when something is true, more likely than not--and that disproving accepted theory requires substituting something new that explains all that is observable better than the currently accepted theory.
Curt
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Once an aura of Chicken Little has been established, no matter how solid the evidence it's hard to change public percerception.
Time to sell that lot in southern Florida.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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"
Ski area closures -- REALLY? That's worthy of mention as a global catastrophe? ROFL"
FYI, 2011 was the highest snowpack in Colorado in the last 50 years.
6 out of the last 8 years have been well above average here.
Keep that global warming coming.
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