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okay, whatever
climber
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And I agree that simply putting you into a racist bucket, without knowing you, is not fair at all.... But I also do think that considered responses, in which you make your argument in a thoughtful way, rather than just offering up an angry rejection of someone else's viewpoint, is a much more effective way to go in debating these sorts of issues. I mean, seriously, I'm a 64 year old adult, and I used to think the Three Stooges were funny in my childhood, but calling someone a "knucklehead" in what is hopefully a reasoned debate seems out of place. Insults are for children.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Kap kneels to say he doesn’t think the US is living up to its ideals of justice and equality. The question is then do white police officers treat black people differently because of their race? I would guess that most police officers treat them fairly. But we know racism and prejudice exist and is a factor some of these encounters. Just last night a white police woman came home to the wrong apartment saw the black guy who lived there and shot him dead. Did race play into it? That is the question many want to look at.
When you perpetuate the distractions from that question: Kap is insulting veterans, black people bring it on themselves, Kap is washed up and he’s just doing it for attention, etc it comes across as racist or at least insensitive because you are not listening to what they are saying with empathy, you are just saying what they are concerned with doesn’t exist or it’s their fault.
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okay, whatever
climber
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Oh, I think it's perfectly reasonable to criticize a black person or a white person, or whomever, if you have a genuine point to make that has nothing to do with their race or color. I'm mellower than that, and accept that people, including in elected positions of power, will not necessarily see life and public policy as I do. I find that holding my tongue is a better approach, generally... people you think you dislike often turn out to be people you do like, given some time and shared experiences. Though I suppose I'm not holding my tongue here :^)
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Trump
climber
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All these self righteous white genius clowns going on and on about how other people are stupid and idiots and ignoramouses, and about how damaged they are by someone else not standing for their flag.
Me personally, I’m glad that an international company looking out for its economic well being like Nike doesn’t care. That’s a hopeful sign.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Saying Nazis and Racists are good people, and defending their right to march with torches and clubs, then saying someone of color can't kneel in protest is just hard to comprehend.
Fanatical nationalism is just a facade to justify bigotry and hate.
I am a Libtard and I love this country as much as any goose-stepping mo-fo's, probably more.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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speaking of dumb
Oh, do tell us.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Nike is a multi-billion dollar brand that dominates the global sportswear market. Naturally, they hire the best marketing executives in the business.
They knew exactly what they were doing when they decided to promote the hell out of Colin Kaepernick. Their research showed three things
-Opposing Trump is a winning strategy
-People will spend money to show their contempt for this regime
-Trump’s trashy supporters are such a small percentage of the population they can be ignored
Trump responded by egging his followers on, and once again lied to them by saying Nike is getting “absolutely killed with anger and boycotts”.
So...how has it worked out in reality?
Answer: Just like Nike thought it would:
Nike’s online sales jumped 31% after company unveiled Kaepernick campaign, data show
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nikes-online-sales-jumped-31-after-company-unveiled-kaepernick-campaign-2018-09-07
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glspi
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Sep 13, 2018 - 08:21pm PT
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Very strange how this thread suddenly died.
I'd love to hear responses to the murder down in Dallas that has been asked about. Cop breaks into wrong apartment thinking it's her home and proceeds to murder the tenant inside.
Her initial report has been completely changed at this point (as per usual with cop reports in these cases), and the 'system' is functioning flawlessly (according to how one side has set it up).
Dear God can you imagine if somehow this murderer doesn't get what's coming to her? Oh wait, go about your day, nevermind. Fox now smearing the victim (also standard procedure) with pointless (or planted) info: https://twitter.com/FOX4/status/1040361795519541249
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Sep 13, 2018 - 08:27pm PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 13, 2018 - 08:40pm PT
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 13, 2018 - 11:06pm PT
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I suppose some folks do find treason pleasantly surprising.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 14, 2018 - 06:24am PT
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Blacks killing blacks...
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 14, 2018 - 07:28am PT
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I'd love to hear responses to the murder down in Dallas that has been asked about. Cop breaks into wrong apartment thinking it's her home and proceeds to murder the tenant inside.
Her initial report has been completely changed at this point (as per usual with cop reports in these cases), and the 'system' is functioning flawlessly (according to how one side has set it up).
Dear God can you imagine if somehow this murderer doesn't get what's coming to her? Oh wait, go about your day, nevermind. Fox now smearing the victim (also standard procedure) with pointless (or planted) info: https://twitter.com/FOX4/status/1040361795519541249
I hope the cop gets what's coming to her too, but hard to say exactly what that is. In general, the law looks closely at the mental state of the actor in serious crimes, and here the mental state of the cop doesn't seem to have been to intentionally commit a crime. Instead, she made a horrible mistake. While that won't let her off the cook completely (as it appears she was negligent/careless/reckless what have you), it may let her off from the most serious potential charges.
I suppose a non-PC way to look at this is there is a bit of an issue with certain female cops. In the old days, the typical cop was a large, heavy set guy who could dish out a certain amount of force without touching a gun. (In downtown Denver where I work, I'd say that accurately describes most of the cops I see walking around still.) Most females don't have that option, and perhaps go for the gun as the first option to use force. Not saying this is necessarily the right way to think about it, but just like being a bouncer at a nightclub, or a high level climber in the other direction, I'm not sure that being a cop is job that every person has the right body for. I'm not at all saying women shouldn't be in law enforcement, but I do question whether we should be giving people guns and telling them to use force as a part of their job, unless they also have some good non-gun options. (I'm also thinking a bit about the female cop who shot a guy on PCP in OK City I believe, even though he was unarmed and didn't seem to be doing anything directly threatening. She used the old "I thought he was going for a gun" excuse.)
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 14, 2018 - 08:04am PT
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If the cop(or anybody for that matter) goes into her apartment and there is a big guy in HER apartment that is not supposed to be there, she is absolutely justified in shooting him. Waiting for "non-gun" options can get you killed.
As a matter of the way the world works, perhaps you can shoot a "big guy" in your apartment who is not supposed to be there and get away with it, regardless of what the big guy is or isn't doing.
But the law requires something more than that to be a justified shooting, even in the most pro self defense states (generally some sort of reasonable fear that deadly force is necessary to protect your own (or a third party's) safety)). I suppose in Jody world that reasonable fear could be present simply based on a big guy's uninvited presence in your apartment, but I believe the law contemplates something more.
Will be interesting to see if the cop alleges there was a something more in this case; a scuffle or a threat to anything other than "I saw a big (and black?) guy where I didn't think he was supposed to be so I shot him."
Another way to look at it:
Did the cop do two things wrong or just one thing?
In Jody world, the cop only made one mistake, entering the wrong apartment. She would have been perfectly justified in shooting the black guy if it would have been her apartment.
I think in most people's view, the cop did 2 things wrong: she entered the wrong apartment, and then she shot some guy who wasn't (to our knowledge) doing anything threatening.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Sep 14, 2018 - 08:12am PT
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WHAT! That is sick, he was in his home.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 14, 2018 - 08:16am PT
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she made one mistake or two who cares?
report says she gave verbal commands
and he did not comply
it was his disobedience that got him killed
amirite
Look everyone here posting agrees that she made a serious and criminal mistake and deserves serious punishment.
But I do believe it's relevant in assessing the degree of her culpability to know what happened after she entered the wrong apartment.
And I hate to say it because I don't want this to be misconstrued, but maybe if the guy was acting irrationally cuz he was on high on drugs or whatever, that could be at least somewhat of a mitigating factor.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Sep 14, 2018 - 08:20am PT
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AntiChrist:
Jody, I'm curious about your take on that Dallas killing. Also note he was a black MAN... not "a black." I am confused.
Was she intoxicated by alcohol, marijuana, cocaine or else?
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Sep 14, 2018 - 08:27am PT
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Wow, this just gets sicker by the minute.
Maybe he was protecting his home!
Maybe if the officer had told the truth from the beginning this would be a horrible accident and that would be the end of it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sep 14, 2018 - 08:30am PT
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Should get a “stiffer” sentence because she was a trained professional in the use of firearms and should have been able to handle the situation better.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Sep 14, 2018 - 08:32am PT
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^^^Yep
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