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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Jan 20, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
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Why are there two Trump threads?
The amount of hot methane would reach critical mass otherwise
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 20, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
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methane
Maybe gonna need a third one with Palin on board.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jan 21, 2016 - 05:28am PT
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Escopeta posted The Republican strategy for 2nd Amendment rights is to "lose slowly". Drain the coffers of the 2A donations until its no longer politically expedient to support it.
If I am not speaking the truth, why do they not repeal gun control legislation when they have the chance? Oh, they fuss and muss when additional gun control legislation is proposed, but do you really think they care? Of course not. Its a shiny toy to attract more money and become rich politicians. Much the same as Gay Marriage. They don't care one way or the other, just as long as we submit the power to them to decide.
When did they have the chance? And who is deciding if people get married or not at the federal level?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 21, 2016 - 08:09am PT
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Dude! How did you come across that article??
It's unbelievably timely in my life right now.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jan 21, 2016 - 08:32am PT
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Hillary beats Donald by over 10 million popular and over 100 Electoral Votes
Another modern day Landslide, just as Obama did to McCain and Romney.
THEY
CAN"T
GET
TO
270
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Jan 21, 2016 - 08:36am PT
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It's looking increasingly likely, The Democrats will rerun 2008. Some guy comes out of nowhere, and she doesn't get the nomination.
A Republican Congress yoked to a Socialist President. It could work.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jan 21, 2016 - 08:38am PT
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You keep saying this, John, but what math are you looking at?
I don't see the country electing a self proclaimed socialist for decades. It's toxic.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Jan 21, 2016 - 09:02am PT
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I don't see ideology playing much of a role this time. I don't think Bernies Socialism, will be as big of a factor as the pundits think. He's loud and passionate. That's what people are looking for.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jan 21, 2016 - 09:09am PT
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Washington Post
Putin implicated in fatal poisoning of former KGB spy at posh London hotel
Donald Trump's bromance with Vladimir Putin
After Putin praised Trump on Thursday as "bright and talented" and "the absolute leader of the presidential race," the billionaire trumpeted Putin's praise as a "great honor" and even shrugged off widespread allegations that the Russian president has ordered the killing of journalists and political dissidents.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 21, 2016 - 09:14am PT
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"Hey, it's just business." - Don Corleone
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jan 21, 2016 - 09:55am PT
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I knew it was Obama. I could have had a Sean Penn scoop if I'd been thinking.
Moving forward in what appears to be a campaign to win the prize for Most Incoherent Human in America, Sarah Palin this week followed up her meme-worthy epic poem of an endorsement for Donald Trump with a truly fascinating explanation for her son Track’s recent arrest for domestic abuse.It’s Obama’s fault . And that would actually be laughable if this wasn’t about a 26 year-old grown man currently charged with fourth-degree assault, fourth-degree misconduct involving a weapon and interfering with a report of domestic violence.
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/21/sarah_palins_delusional_blame_game_obama_isnt_responsible_for_her_sons_domestic_violence_charge/
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Jan 21, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
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I don't see ideology playing much of a role this time. I don't think Bernies Socialism, will be as big of a factor as the pundits think. He's loud and passionate. That's what people are looking for.
Being loud and passionate might be what democratic primary voters are looking for, but I don't think his single issue, left-wing approach would work well in the general. I think a majority of democratic primary voters believe that Hillary is more electable and she will get the nomination. As of last June, I had the same thinking with Republicans and thought Rubio, Walker (or possibly Bush) would get it. I'm starting to have some doubts about that. But so far, all we've seen is what some people are telling posters. That is not the same as actually voting.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 21, 2016 - 12:47pm PT
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Well, if Bernie's challenge to Hillary gets her to trend a little more leftwards, it's all good with me.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Jan 23, 2016 - 03:45am PT
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Herr Trümp
A'cloistering from south to north,
All gathering to waddle forth,
They flock to him from west to east,
All rabid fans to say the least,
And read the measure of the man,
With heads sunk firmly in sand,
They gravitate in fervent bands,
With outstretched arms and clenching hands,
And signing on their fate is sealed,
By the deal this pompous ass has wheeled,
The angry mob to which he appeals,
Their hearts and minds now to him steeled,
With posture arrogant and snide,
His art to heckle and deride,
He's courting power like a bride,
All lack of pretense set aside,
So far and broad his net is cast,
Stifling all protest un-harrassed,
His billions hold his minions fast,
Blinding them to his checkered past,
He's brainwashed most and suckered in,
His 'art of the deal' the support he wins,
His wealth and power a polished gem,
To hypnotize and dazzle them,
So trumpets forth the Trump-full mind,
And delegates to them in kind,
To stir up Tea Bags left behind,
What dregs that Sara Palin finds,
To criticize and to ostracize,
All those unfaithful and so unwise,
To doubt false patriotic lies,
All this I shudder to surmise,
To say that once I did believe,
This land was made for you and me,
I know now freedom isn't free,
And love of money's n'er the key,
Mistake not others lack of dearth,
What's given some right from their birth,
While others die and bleed to earth,
How can we measure what that's worth?
A sacrifice honored with pride,
A treasure spread so spare and wide,
It leaves no unturned rock to hide,
So vote, it counts how we decide,
I give you this soliloquy,
To think beyond fear what could be,
Should we provide the recipe,
For Donald Trump and World War Three.
-bushman
01/22/2016
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2016 - 09:27am PT
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Not on our watch?
Written by Gene Klein (with his daughter Jill Klein, Author of We Got the Water: Tracing My Family's Path Through Auschwitz).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gene-klein/holocaust-survivor-offers-_b_9082286.html?utm_hp_ref=impact&ir=Impact
On this Holocaust Remembrance Day, I am very concerned when I see presidential candidates fanning the flames of animosity. In the '30s in Germany, Jews were the target, but the dangerous rhetoric of today is focused on Muslims and particularly Syrian refugees. Like the anti-Semitic tirades of decades ago, many of the same ingredients are present in the speeches of candidates who hold surprisingly high levels of support from the American people.
It is an all too familiar recipe: Strip away individuality and wrap everyone in the group into an amorphous and frightening entity. Speak about what they will take from us and add in a strong nationalist sentiment that allows people to justify their hatred as patriotic allegiance. It was this lethal combination that sent my family to Auschwitz, my father to the gas chamber, and me, a boy of 16, to a slave labor camp where I was forced to build railroads on starvation rations. The SS guards were able to do this to us because they lost sight of our humanity and of our individuality.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jan 27, 2016 - 10:28am PT
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Excellent point, climbski2. It particularly saddened me to see the allegations made against Syrian refugees generally by Trumpians and other nativists. They portray the refugees as if they are unskilled, poorly-educated people on society's fringes. In fact, taken as a whole, the Syrian refugees are overwhelmingly well-educated and middle class.
The excuse that we can't vet them perfectly, so keeping them out is better, represents a classic example of "the grass is greener" fallacy. Pointing out an option's imperfection does not make its alternative better.
All of this helps to explain why Trump's main support is not from what I would have considered "conservative" voters prior to the apparent redefinition of English words. Imagine Barry Goldwater's reaction to a politician whose main platform planks include opposition to the free movement of goods and people, and an invitation to trust a strong leader.
John
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