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HighDesertDJ
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Nov 16, 2015 - 07:34am PT
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Edward, if you think this marks a sudden uptick in the amount of bombing that ISIL has been on the receiving end of you have not been paying attention. America has been bombing them as aggressively as possible for months. There is no lack of planes or bombs there is a lack of targets. It's not like there are big juicy targets that we've just been letting sit there because we aren't motivated to do something about it.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 16, 2015 - 07:37am PT
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America has been bombing them as aggressively as possible for months.
"..as aggressively as possible..."
LOL!!!!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 16, 2015 - 07:48am PT
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Green Bay's quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, shows some class.
Teams around the NFL decided to pay tribute to those affected by Friday’s terrorist attacks in Paris before kickoff this weekend. Some of the tributes – like the one in Philly – were pretty touching, but the one in Green Bay went a bit off the rails. During the pregame moment of silence, one fan at Lambeau Field thought it would be a good time to shout an extremely inappropriate comment directed at Muslims.
A fan reported this: “I just heard "Death to Muslims" during the moment of silence at Lambeau. Stay classy, Green Bay.”
The comment was apparently heard by many, including Rodgers and his Packers teammates. After the game, Rodgers called out the fan during his press conference with the media.
“I must admit, I was very disappointed with whoever the fan was who made a comment that I thought was really inappropriate during the moment of silence. It’s that kind of prejudicial ideology that puts us in the position that we’re in today.” http://uproxx.com/sports/2015/11/aaron-rodgers-calls-out-fan-who-yelled-during-moment-of-silence-muslims/
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 07:55am PT
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From January: http://www.ibtimes.com/us-air-force-drops-record-amount-bombs-against-islamic-state-iraq-syria-1777616
Islamic State fighters learned how to change their tactics to avoid being hit by the high-precision weaponry (the GBU-38 is guided by GPS, while the GBU-54 by a laser beam). Accordingly, they began travelling in smaller groups so they could not be spotted from the air. In response, the U.S. Air Force has concentrated on areas of intense fighting and individual vehicles. That means the air force is having to rely increasingly on intelligence from sources on the ground and is expending a greater number of munitions than before.
From August: http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/08/07/430151358/after-a-year-of-bombing-isis-u-s-campaign-shows-just-limited-gains
That air campaign has grown much wider over the past year. Pentagon officials say some 6,000 more bombing runs have been flown over both Iraq and Syria against the self-declared Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL.
I'm not going to keep digging you can do that yourself. The problem is not desire nor weaponry, it's intelligence and targets that can actually be hit from the air. We could start firebombing civilians if that would make you feel better. Nothing like torching the people you claim to be saving.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 16, 2015 - 08:19am PT
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From August: http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/08/07/430151358/after-a-year-of-bombing-isis-u-s-campaign-shows-just-limited-gains[/quote]
Critics say there's been an excess of caution in the bombing campaign.
"The air attacks to date have been what can only be called anemic," says David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general.
Deptula, who directed the air campaigns in the first Gulf War and the invasion of Afghanistan, says it is not possible to defeat the Islamic State by flying what's been an average of little more than a dozen airstrikes a day.
"The administration's incomplete strategy places U.S. commanders in an untenable situation," he says. "It's not unlike the failed strategy that was employed in Vietnam."
The current air campaign drew fire as well at a hearing last month on Capitol Hill.
"Our means and our current level of effort are not aligned with our ends," said Senate Armed Services Committee chairman John McCain, the Arizona Republican who himself flew combat missions in Vietnam. "That suggests we are not winning, and when you're not winning in war, you are losing."
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 16, 2015 - 08:19am PT
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From what I understand President Hollande has officially "unleashed" the 13th and the 2nd Regi's with orders to be hunt and terminate any of the ISIS/ISIL "Azzholes".
Combined, the two units are composed of around 3300 of the baddest of the baddest and most ruthlessly trained "Merc's" known to the modern world and make ST6 look like a bunch of flower childs. Now they have a brutal reason to terminate "without mercy".
This is going to be rather interesting....
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philo
climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 08:21am PT
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^^^ gonna celebrate their deployment with some "Freedom Fries"?
John Oliver rocks it.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 08:21am PT
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They are carrying around giant rescue-8's. How badass could they be? ;-)
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 16, 2015 - 08:30am PT
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You look at the "8's" but should be looking at the M82's capable of reaching out and touching someone effectively at 1200-2000 meters.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Nov 16, 2015 - 08:31am PT
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The Paras of the FFL fully understand Extreme Prejudice, and aren't bound by Rules of Engagement. They are NOT very PC.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 16, 2015 - 08:33am PT
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Fighting "terrorists" with bombs. Has that ever worked in history?
Better to defund said terrorists, gotta be a line item on some CIA budget somewhere we can cross off.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 08:39am PT
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Just some questions I don't know the answers to:
I know there is Sunni/Shia conflict all about the ME, but what are the refugee numbers and splits of Sunni/Shia going to Europe?
Why do the refugees prefer to go to European countries instead of other Muslim countries in the ME?
Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Iran, Jordan, Morocco are all stable and have safe harbors for Sunni or Shia, no?
What about Turkey? Aren't they NATO? How many refugees are they putting up?
Can't any of those Muslim societies do something to help their fellow Muslims, or do I just not see what they are doing?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 16, 2015 - 08:41am PT
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Larry, don't troll us, please. Why would a refugee with half a brain want to go to another
shithole country in the ME?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 16, 2015 - 09:06am PT
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Revenge, rather than willingness to compromise or submit to the victors, is the traditional response of Islamist Muslims to the defeat of Muslim armies. And for them, this battle has no front line and is not limited to a few years or even decades. They think in terms of conflict spread over generations.
A call for jihad against British rule in India, for example, resulted in an underground movement that began in 1830 and lasted well until the 1870s, with remnants periodically surfacing well into the 20th century.
The fundamentalist interpretation of Islam is not a common mode of thinking for most Muslims, especially in recent times. But it is clearly driving the political agenda in Muslim countries. Not all Muslim modernisers are willing to confront the anti-Western and anti-Semitic beliefs that feed the Islamist narrative. The Islamists are dominating the discourse within the Muslim world by murdering secularists and forcing many of them to leave their countries.
With over 1.4 billion Muslims around the globe, the swelling of the fundamentalist ranks poses serious problems. If only 1 per cent of the world’s Muslims accepts this uncompromising theology, and 10 per cent of that 1-per cent decide to commit themselves to a radical agenda, we are looking at a one million strong recruitment pool for groups such as al-Qaeda, IS and whatever comes next.
Only a concerted ideological campaign against medieval Islamist ideology, like the one that discredited and contained communism, could turn the tide.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11996879/Islams-civil-war-between-medievalists-and-modernisers.html
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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Reilly,
Are you implying that the majority of the refugees want to go where there is more comfort with free stuff,
and the embedded terrorists among them want to go where their bad actions get better press?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 16, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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So Werner are you saying eliminatination of the crankloon corruptors will calm the beast? What about isolating them, let them duke it out amongst themselves, redraw their own borders, return to the dark ages without benefit of trade in or out?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 16, 2015 - 09:30am PT
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Why do we need French dudes with figure eights? According to the chief Putin already did the job we wouldn't do.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 09:34am PT
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Larry posted Why do the refugees prefer to go to European countries instead of other Muslim countries in the ME?
Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Iran, Jordan, Morocco are all stable and have safe harbors for Sunni or Shia, no?
Larry, you could do some very basic research and get the answers to these questions. Jordan and Lebanon absorbed almost the entire first wave of Syrian refugees (1 million people in Lebanon, .6 million in Jordan) in countries with only 5-6 million to start with (and 0.5 million Palestinian refugees already). They are essentially "full" and so people are heading in other directions. Turkey has absorbed over 2 million and if you head to Turkey and it's full, what's after that...the rest of Europe. All you have to do is look at a map to figure out why not many people are heading for Kuwait or the UAE.
http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php
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