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Norton
Social climber
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Blu, please try to understand that homosexuals have no more sexual interest in children
than do straight people like you and me.
pedophelia. The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.
Homosexuality definition, sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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My congratulations to you, dear Americans.
In time it will become a non-issue.
Thanks! Love you!
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Suprema wrote:
It pisses me off when women bring their boys to the locker room and the little freaks stare. I blame their mothers...
Common Burchey!!! You can't let this one slide!?
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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My congratulations to you, dear Americans.
In time it will become a non-issue.
How about a cartoon commemorating the occasion?!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mine was an attempt at a conversation with Ken's overtly wild speculation. I didn't hear you ask Ken for any "professional" validity as to his opinion. But that's OK, there isn't much really that I can find. Science only just recently started to theorize as to homosexuality being gene driven. But at the same time Science knows that the environment has as much to do with gene mutation as cross polenization. So there's that.
Certainly I'm not conflating all homo's are pedophiles, or visa versa. That,s rediculusness.
Undeniably there has been a small percentage of mankind, where mostly aging adult men have lustful desires for the young immature psych of children. Not many women share in this. So to call old men who seek sexual pleasure whith underage girls as heterosexual, and old men who seek lust fully after underage boys as homosexualality, seems appropriate but lacking.
Societies elsewhere have found these activities to be lawful. Wouldn't seem hard since children haven't much of a voice.
Hopefully videos like the one above of the 10yro boy twerking will bring public attention to the exploiting of children sexualality.
No, you were simply trolling.
I find it interesting that you would post a video of what you consider inappropriate. Pedophelic videos are inappropriate, too. You might consider that simple possession, much less distribution, is a felony, just by itself. You might want to consider the appropriateness of your mission to collect "inappropriate" videos then educating people about them.
So to call old men who seek sexual pleasure whith underage girls as heterosexual, and old men who seek lust fully after underage boys as homosexualality, seems appropriate but lacking.
Well, the problem is that you are decades behind the curve on this. Basically all professionals disagree with you. Those that you have described are not heterosexual or homosexual, but PEDOPHILES. BTW, virtually all that are convicted of this are men, and virtually all of them are living an apparent heterosexual lifestyle.
That's why Christians cannot protect children under their care, they are looking for the wrong people.......
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Hebephilia is defined as a chronophilia in which an adult has a sexual preference or exclusive sexual attraction to individuals who are of the early to mid (or sometimes late) stages of pubertal development, generally aged 11–14, although the age of onset and completion of puberty vary.
-wiki
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Not all Homosexuals are pedophiles of course.
But the nomenclature of this study sure does some serious mental gymnastics ...
I would say Adult men sexually preying on young boys is certainly homosexuality and pedophilia, not just pedophilia.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
Family Research Council has a great deal to say on the matter ...
Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3
"However, despite efforts by homosexual activists to distance the gay lifestyle from pedophilia, there remains a disturbing connection between the two. This is because, by definition, male homosexuals are sexually attracted to other males. While many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners, the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners. In this paper we will consider the following evidence linking homosexuality to pedophilia: ..."
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dirtbag
climber
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Klimmer, did you even bother to read that article by the UC Davis researcher?
Conclusion
The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.
Instead, you base your opinion on "research" by a Right wing hate group, the family research council, that bashes gays and fits your weird worldview.
Please stop teaching science. You seem to be incapable of sorting crap pseudoscience from legitimate research.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Not all Christians are pedophiles of course.
But the nomenclature of this study sure does some serious mental gymnastics ...
I would say Adult men sexually preying on young boys is certainly Christianity and pedophilia, not just pedophilia.
There are four unavoidable facts here:
1: The problem of Christian clergy child sexual abuse is so epidemic in Westernized socities that the "Sodomizing Priest" has become both stereotypical and cliche. It's not limited to one particular brand name of Christianity; it's not an aspect of ideological differences; it's epidemic to all Christian brand names.
2: Christianity doesn't create child-abusing pedophiles in numbers lesser than or greater than any other deity-oriented religion. What the Christian clergy does provide is a safe heaven for pedophiles. If Christianity were to finally be educated out of the world populace, these pedophiles would find some other "excuse."
Seemingly lacking any higher ethics and morals, many leaders of Christian child molesters most often don't even report such crimes. Any normal organization or individual would turn these people over to a police authority for the horrible crimes they committ against children. Indeed, to not do so is complicity in the felony and, as you'll see in this series, is often grounds for a successful civil lawsuit against their church.
Rather than turn the criminal over to the police authorities, most child molesters within the Christian clergy are sent to in-house "treatment centers" where "psychological therapy" is provided. The parents of the abused child most often complains to the clergy first and, after learning the priesthood is doing nothing to protect other children from their pedophiles, report the sexual abuse to the police much later.
In many cases children don't report the abuse to their parents due to feelings of guilt and due to threats made by their parent's Christian leader. It is only after they're old enough to have a say-so in which church (if any) to attend that they come forward and expose their victimization. Sadly, this means that in many cases statutes of limitations can kick in and the criminals can't be make to pay for all of their crimes. Since pedophiles rarely strike once, however, they eventually get reported by brave children who are specifically taught what bodily activities are not to be permitted by adults.
After they go through their period of "therapy," they often get shipped off to yet another church where, since their new congregations are never informed of their master's past, the cycle of abuse continues. (NOTE: "Megan's Law" now makes the location of convicted sex offenders public knowledge. THIS IS A WIN FOR THE GOOD SIDE! Everyone who has worked to get Megan's Law passed has made it tougher for Christian clergy to hide their convicted child moslesters within our communities.)
Thus -- whether unintentionally or not -- the Christian clergy ends up being a safe dating service for pedophiles. Pedophiles may safely gravitate toward the Christian clergy fairly confident in the knowledge that even if they're ever reported or get caught, they'll simply be moved to yet another location and be provided with new children to abuse.
The excuse is usually the demand that the Christian's church will take care of the problem and that there's no need to bring in the authorities. The result is that literally hundreds of thousands of children have been raped or horribly murdered by Christian masters who -- since they're known child molesters -- should have been in jail at the time. http://www.skeptictank.org/clrabuse.htm
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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With this flood of examples per the evil of gays, and the effort to find any shred of evidence to criminalize them as a group, one wonders what the exact core belief is that makes zealots keep chasing after these people. We know the fear angle - that gay marriage will devalue the straight article and give the thumbs up to would-be sodomites the world over and that society as we know it might perish. Just wondering if there is any actual evidence that this is so. Even remotely so.
It all seems so tedious, hammering on folks simply because they are not like us. It also feels chickensh#t.
JL
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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from the link,
"A disturbing fact continues to surface in sex abuse research. The
first best predictor of abuse is alcohol or drug addiction.
Should suffice that withOut alcohol and drugs these activities don't take place.
Hopefully scientific studies will continue to bring awareness to the effects of mind altering alcohol and drugs. There is no hope for illeagealization in our Nation built on "Freedoms". In just about every store you enter that sells food, which we have to have for a healthy body. Under the same roof the business owner has the "Right" to sell the most poisonous consumable that has afflicted the human body wih more disease than all other consumables combined. Along with alcohol being the #1 leading contributor in allowing man to act out the imaginations brought from desires and lust and hate. How many acts of "date rape" would take place without alcohol? How many acts of domestic violence? Or any violence? How many less manslaughter's caused by the driving imparted? How many less self inflicted murders do to heart disease, liver failures, etc. caused by the simple free will act of ingesting the man altered food substance known as beer,alcohol,wine.
Let us ALL pray for a sober, truthful future in America! Happy birthday USA!!
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Should suffice that withOut alcohol and drugs these activities don't take place.
Been to any Arabic countries? How about Utah?
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Sounds awful for you.
But how is it different than the playboy mansion or that alleged underage sex thing recently down in Fla with some member of the royal family.
It cuts across all orientstions....abberant behavior. Just ask the Duggars
Susan
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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^^^cause mine was an honest attempt at focusing on the discussion at hand. Instead of diluting the actions with "everybody's doin' it, so why does it matter" response like yours;)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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What Susan said.
The experience of the boys in your story was similar to what happens with girls. Although most young boys and girls who fall victim to sexual predators don't wind up in mansions, making big dollars for their sexual services. And they aren't kept happy with loads of drugs and booze, they're kept in line with physical violence.
And while I don't have statistics to back this up, I expect that the ratio of homosexual predation to hetero is likely similar to the homo/hetero ratio in the general population.
Edit: nothing she said, or I've said in this post in any way "dilutes" what you talked of. Or excuses it. It is equally vile no matter who is involved.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Blue,
I'm truly sorry you had to ever experience any of that. Nobody should ever have to go through that experience, that living hell. You talk from a place of experience. People here at ST should listen.
I hope G-d brings you through full recovery and gives to you his complete Shalom.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab or In What Time Zone Am I?
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"everybody's doin' it, so why does it matter"
Not my words nor my intent.
Your experience was horrific. That kind of behavior cannot be condoned under any circumstances regardless of the sexual orientation or proclivities of the offenders....homosexual, heterosexual or pedophiles.
My premise is that destruction of children through exposure to sexuality does not rest with one group or another.
Susan
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Gary,
"I would say Adult men sexually preying on young boys is certainly Christianity and pedophilia, not just pedophilia."
Why twist my words? That is an absolute bold face lie. I don't care what study or article you reference.
Were the Crusaders who killed Muslims or Jews in the name of Jesus Christ, Christians?
Was the Catholic Church putting Jews or others to death who wouldn't convert to the Catholic Faith during the inquisition, were they Christian?
We're the Nazi soldiers who called themselves "Christians" who gassed many millions of Jews in the Holocaust as well as any group of people they didn't agree with or considered undesirable, including homosexuals, were they really Christians?
Yeshua said you would know them by their fruit. He also said, "Not everyone who calls me Lord Lord shall the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father."
Anyone can call themselves a Christian, but that doesn't mean they are. Yes it is a tactic of the enemy, Satan, to hide his servants where anyone would least suspect and they will call themselves Christians. They are not. They are wolves in Sheeps clothing. Much harm has come to The Synagogue or the Church of G-d as a result.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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SC^^^okie dokie:)
i certainly agree it's an offensive crime to force children, or anyone for that matter against their will to do anything!
But i also think it's doubly offensive for a mature perpetrator to knowingly to steer a naive mind.The perp's use of drugs and alcohol clouds the mind which allows his false positive affirmation along with the promise of money as reward persuades the unhopeful naive mind to do things it wouldn't normally do soberly or naturally.
Hollywood being a prime example as to us as a society taking a blind eye and holding onto a willful ignorance stance on this behavior.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I know this is not the attitudes and actions of all homosexuals! I do KNOW it is for a certain percentage tho. And I do KNOW if it weren't for the positive affirmation coming from the "adult" men through the use of drugs and alcohol with the reinforcement of the reward of cash, these boys would have NEVER partooke in the homosexual lifestyle! IMO.
I have substantial personal experience taking children away from their parents for abuse or neglect. Particularly for abuse, I know those are not the attitudes and actions of all males. I do KNOW it is for a certain percentage, tho.
So do we consider that all men, like you, are to be supposed abusers?
Should we be especially suspicious of males that have taken part in homosexual relationships, like you?
Both are ridiculous arguments.
And yet.....that is exactly the type of stereotyping that you want to push.
And if you don't think that hetero men aren't interested in 17 y/o women, then you haven't been paying attention to posts of pictures on this site.
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