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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Yeah Crankster, wouldn't the insurance industry want the ACA as long as they had a hand in crafting it? I think it was a big horsetrade across the board in the end and the Republicans got full deniability.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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EdwardT- what did Obama get from the Republicans?Just enough apparently...
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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One vote to move a bill out of committee for an extension of the Bush Tax Cuts? Really?
I'm sure Obama's support had nothing with GOP gains in the 2010 midterm election.
Five Senate seats and 63 House seats vs. one committee vote, followed by unanimous opposition.
Makes sense to me.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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I love your random and unrelated snapshots in time to frame your point!
The endgame is, exactly as I stated; Tax cuts for the ACA...period...let it go.
BTW- What did the 113th Congress do with those majorities?
The ACA, Chevy and apple pie ;)...
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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I love your random and unrelated snapshots in time to frame your point!
The endgame is, exactly as I stated; Tax cuts for the ACA
Random and unrelated snapshots? Like tax cuts for ACA?
You'ze a funny guy.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Contractor shoots.......He scores!!
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Contractor wrote:
Are there any conservatives here that can tell me how Obamacare was passed though Congress- and I mean, really passed?
I consider myself libertarian, and probably more socially liberal than the typical democrat partisan with blinders on.
But I'll give it a try:
60 votes would be necessary to pass ACA in the senate because the republican minority was going to filibuster.
At the start of the 111th congress, Arlen Spector was a republican, but then later pulled a craven switcheroo.
Meanwhile in Minnesota, they recounted, and recounted until finally Al Franken won, kinda like that old Edward G Robinson gangster movie.
(Later after the ACA vote, Massachusetts voted Scott Brown into the Kennedy entitlement throne in a special election because he campaigned against ACA and it would give them a 41st vote to sustain filibusters).
So, if I am not mistaken, the first major legislation in US history without one vote from the opposition party.
Considered a feather in the cap of democrats.
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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So, if I am not mistaken, the first major legislation in US history without one vote from the opposition party.
Considered a feather in the cap of democrats.
It's a really bad system. And a huge improvement over what it replaced, so what does that tell ya?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Considered a feather in the cap of democrats."
You're getting closer to the facts, Sketch!
A feather in the cap of Democrats = Republican losses at the polls
See how that works? Explains everything, doesn't it?
Why do Republicans hate Americans so much?
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couchmaster
climber
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Apoge, regarding your post -quote "Considered a feather in the cap of democrats."
You're getting closer to the facts, Sketch! A feather in the cap of Democrats = Republican losses at the polls See how that works? Explains everything, doesn't it? Why do Republicans hate Americans so much?"
You will grow up at some point, but until such time, may I note that you reconsider your crowing statements "feather in the caps of democrats and -"Republican losses at the polls" as the result over some imaginary win you apparently believe occurred someplace. Let google guide you in this quest for the elusive knowledge and lack of real facts you currently possess.
Good luck John!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Umm, couch...that phrase wasn't mine.
Carry on!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Hey, at the time, I bet quite a few of my liberal brothers were as pissed as I was that Obama extended Bush's tax cuts and at least a few conservatives.
Not only did it not help the debt situation, that revenue should have been directed towards helping people keep their homes!
2010-remember?
Now we have a society of the insured
renter class.
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couchmaster
climber
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We have re-reviewed it Apogee and the quote appears to be identical to the words you posted. Were you quoting someone else but forgot the attribution or the "" and the ""?
ie, JJ said: "Umm, couch...that phrase wasn't mine. Carry on!"
OK den, I must be in the liberal make believe land of Craig Fry and Norton. Carrying on!
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Norton
Social climber
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Let's be clear that President Obama did not extend the 03 Republican tax cuts
note I did not say the Bush tax cuts.....
Congress debates, votes, and passes laws, Presidents just sign them into law.
The 03 tax cuts were originally written to be a ten deal legislation expiring in 13.
By then the Republican had majority control of the House and demanded the tax
cuts be extended and tied that to a threat to not fund the government
a compromise was reached in which the cuts remained for those making essentially up to some 250K a year and those making more would go back to the higher 03 bracket.
It was a good compromise in that both parties got to bluster and get their way a little
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Contractor ...Obama needed to maintain tax cuts for the upper class , not because they were struggling to make ends meet but because Obama believed that job creation would only happen if the job creators had capital to start new businesses...We have risen from the ashes of the worst recession since the Great Depression proving that tax breaks for the wealthy work for all of America...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jeebus, couch...you are more anal retentive than I am.
'feather in the cap of democrats' = Sketch (EdwardT)
Extending this as the rationale for Republican obstructionism for the purposes of poll results = mine
Got it?
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Norton
Social climber
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guys
this supposed new Boehner McConnell deal to fund the government until 2017
is NOT a done deal as most everyone seems to be relieved that it is
New House Speaker Paul Ryan does not like the deal Boehner cut and has said
and he is already under pressure in the Repub House to add various riders to the deal like defunding PP, etc
he could well refuse to even bring it up for a full House vote
personally I think the odds are increasing every day that the House Repubs shut
down the government over the debt deal
don't forget that Paul Ryan is as much if not more of a SOB than Boehner was
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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I agree with both of you.
But be clear-he DID sign a tax cut compromise into law for people that made alot of money. without his signature rates would have snapped back to the Clinton era rates.
And not signing that bill may have shocked an, already weak economy.
It's amazing to think back on all the maneuvering and fights this guy has been through...
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Norton
Social climber
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he DID sign a tax cut compromise into law for people that made alot of money.
contractor, am I reading you wrong here?
President Obama signed the 2013 tax bill that RAISED rates on higher incomes
while keeping the tax, lower, rates in place for the "middle class"
in effect this produces more taxable income revenue for the treasury
and it also avoided a debt ceiling shutdown threat by the Repubs
in reality it was a total win for President Obama as he got what he wanted, no tax
increase for the middle class and also avoided a shutdown
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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don't forget that Paul Ryan is as much if not more of a SOB than Boehner was
Simple question: If the economy is in such fat city as people here claim (all dat recovery, and all dat), how is it that a senator is an SOB for simply insisting that we live within our means? Seems like he's just quoting Jefferson (that SOB).
For myself, I'd rather see a shutdown, with the US biting a VERY HARD bullet now, than to perpetually kick the can down the road until the road runs out.
There is no way out of the mess we are creating. It's either a big pain now, or it's a catastrophe down the road. Rein it in now, or say HI to hyper-inflation. The world is NOT going to let us print worthless "money" forever.
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