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MisterE
Social climber
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Sep 15, 2012 - 11:38pm PT
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My wife is shaking her head.
"Too many questions."
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Sep 15, 2012 - 11:55pm PT
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It doesn't take religion to do good, but it makes a convenient rationale for doing harm.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 16, 2012 - 12:13am PT
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I NEVER WANT TO PUT WORDS IN GODS MOUTH!
MY knowledge and understanding of the Bible allows my logical thinking mind to think outside the box. Just as I believe bursting glacier in north America could have carved out the Grand Canyon in a week. Or an astroid could hit the planet and throw us into an instant ice age or the planet could flip on its axis and cause the whole planet to melt in a day. I believe scientifically these things could happen. So spiritually I believe if God wanted to Create a new world out of a dead one. He could easily throw a big snowball and jack us up!
Jus Chill'in
It's cold here in JTree tonight
BB
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 16, 2012 - 12:26am PT
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Just as I believe bursting glacier in north America could have carved out the Grand Canyon in a week
in only a week!
imagine that
well, that explains how the earth could be only 6000 years old if the Grand Canyon could have been created in seven days....this explains a lot, thanks
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2012 - 12:38am PT
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This kitchen is still cold as sh!t.
Nothing happening in here.
Everyone is still stone cold frozen.
Where's the fricken flame thrower ?????
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Sep 16, 2012 - 12:44am PT
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You have to be pretty gullible to believe the Noah's Ark tale
What if Noah's Ark was intended as metaphor?
A metaphor given to teach deeper life lessons...
I would be as pleased as anyone if remnants of the Ark were discovered. I'm fairly certain manifest evidence will not be found, though...
Why is it compulsory...even rigidly obligatory for believers to take Genesis literally...and disbelievers to reproach compelling guides, morals or messages on underpinnings of ad litteram history?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2012 - 01:01am PT
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Jennie has a good brain,
The rest stupid.
The kitchen just got a little heat ....
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2012 - 01:26am PT
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is the infinite omniscient being also a metaphor?
God is real, absolute supreme being.
Atheist will turn cold stone face when hearing this.
You watch .....
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Sep 16, 2012 - 01:39am PT
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What if Noah's Ark was intended as metaphor?
Then you wouldn't need precise dimensions.
True...Do the detailed measurements and exact dimensions in Moby Dick waive Melville's metaphor and symbolism ?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2012 - 01:44am PT
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Again good brain Jennie
All these guys here with their rulers fell in the dark well ......
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2012 - 01:46am PT
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Definitely has no clue ^^^^
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 16, 2012 - 02:00am PT
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The flamethrower is in Europe, Australia and Egypt right now. Muslims have attacked US embassy's And are calling for the beheading of Christians.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Sep 16, 2012 - 03:13am PT
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The morals are (mostly) sound. But that doesn't mean the messenger is an infinite omniscient being who created the universe.
Though, if the ark is a metaphor, is the infinite omniscient being also a metaphor? Is the rest of the Bible also not to be taken as ad litteram history?
I believe that the Bible had many authors...or messengers, if you will....all human, some inspired...none, omniscient.
Human fallibility doesn't contravene the existence of an omniscient God...or the divinity of Christ.
I credit much historical portent in the Bible...but, personally, wouldn't take everything, written by mortals... word-for-word, as undeviating history...(choosing to assimilate and digest concepts with obvious merit )
...remembering the writings didn't fall out of heaven one day.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 16, 2012 - 10:43am PT
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Way back in 1927 Lester Germer, a climber, found that an electron could go through two slits at the same time. In 1948 Dirac, Feynman, and Schwinger showed they could calculate a host of physical experience out to ten decimal places if they assume a particle takes all possible paths in going from point A to point B.
The wiring in our brains evolved over millions of years to react to the macroscopic events around us and to survive. We were not directly threatened, nor could we observe these microscopic events. So it is we find incredible what it seems extremely likely is going on all around us. The data seems very strong even the universe came into being in just such an incredible fashion.
The last 100 years have made it very evident we have a lot to learn and we will constantly find ourselves incredulous. Feynman, who was renowned for his ability to illuminate the challenge we face, gave a four part lecture in New Zealand titled Quantum Electrodynamics for the Nonscientist. I recommend it to you.
http://www.vega.org.uk/video/subseries/8
With the Trinity explosion at the end of WWII these microscopic events moved center stage in the question of our survival. If we want to survive we now need to become comfortable with the parts of nature heretofore hidden from us. We will either learn and adapt, or we will die.
Yes we all can believe what we like.
But there will be a cost.
Are you willing to pay that price?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Sep 16, 2012 - 11:00am PT
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There are times when I could be able to believe in the Great Psychobilly-burger who fed the unbaptized children who moved from Limbo to Paradise when the Catholic convention declared that there is no Limbo around 2005, but mostly I don't believe in the Great Psychobilly-burger and I am no agnostic. The American spirits of Jennie and WBraun are on their side completely free to be agnostic in relation to the Great Psychobilly-burger as they are free to join Jesus Camp or Ten Camp if they want to.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 16, 2012 - 11:18am PT
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Jennie
The same problem exists today as it did in days of old. How do u translate the bible to Spanish Chinese russian? Seems hard to translate the same message to different languages.
But we must try. It's our duty.
Sometimes I look up words in the Hebrew and Greek dictionary to get a better comprehension of the bibles meaning.
Jstan
How am I suppose to believe in something I can't see? Ha!
Jus Float'in
BB
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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God is a metaphor
God is not a metaphor.
God is real and absolute.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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Only a fool speaks like this.
Only a fool bases all his experience in life on a book and then makes his judgement without any experience only base on reading a book.
The book readers are like climbers who only read a book and never go climbing and then become experts on climbing with no experience ....
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 16, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
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The Right Wing Republicans condemn other all other beliefs other than their own (including atheists, which we find appalling and intolerant.
Yes .....
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 16, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
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nice performance...
...so what?
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