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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 26, 2012 - 11:43am PT
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Handguns are the obvious problem, not assault rifles.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 26, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
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And the post deleting continues...
One of the gunboyz is bailing out.
...and we're done. So long hillrat.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 26, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
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The 3 most successful gun control activists;
Hitler
Mao
Stalin
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jul 26, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
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Are there any "arms" a citizen should not be allowed to own/use?
Isn't it implicit in the 2nd A. that there shall be no restrictions in that regard and yet common sense tells us that restrictions of some kind are absolutely necessary?
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Bowser
Social climber
Durango CO
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Jul 26, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
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Just took this picture out my back window.
Yup, I am packing!
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Jul 26, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
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Ignore evrything i say about compromise and simply label me a gun nut? I bet the other side thinks i want unreasonable controls and restrictions too. Yeah, way to marginalize me...that,ll bring me to your cause! Piss off.
Frankly, i hope they ban something, which wont be evrything then the lot of you,both sides, can all bitch and scream and whine about how it was all wrong and youre rights werent upheld. Yay for you.
And yeah, i,m done here. Y,all keep on thinkin yer winnin though...
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 26, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
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Second amendment?
Your arguments are kinda whack.
YOU ARE STUPID.
I wondered who this was made for, now I know who.
Only problem is, it might not fit in there with you brain.
Like I stated, you're not really proving points. And this, kinda proves it.
So I like guns, believe they should be strictly regulated, and my head is up my ass, but I should shove a shotgun in there, because . . . ?
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jul 26, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
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Handguns are certainly responsible for most of the issues. But they do have legit use in self-defense, there's alot more of them around, and I think you would get a lot more yelling about taking them away.
One the other hand, it's hard for me to come up with a legit use for >20 round mags. The self-defense situations where you would need this would have to be approaching zero. Now I recognize that outlawing these doesn't get rid of the ones out there. Nor does it probably mean that a determined criminal can't get one. But if it prevent the impulse nut case from getting one and doing worse damagae (like in this case), then I'd argue that it would be worth it to take that step.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 26, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
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Are there any "arms" a citizen should not be allowed to own/use?
What about poison, like cyanide? Dynamite? Anthrax smuggled out of a military lab. Anyone want these things to be legal? If not then how does this square with the 2nd Amendment?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 26, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
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stevep
Of course you will get a lot of yelling if you restrict the access to handguns. People will be upset. There will be a lot more yelling than the restrictions to smoking caused. That's because a lot of americans have their identity partly attached to carrying a handgun for self-defence. It will probably take a generation or two before the matter settles.
The situation is that a lot of people are carrying a handgun because they believe other people are carrying a handgun, and then they feel safer when carrying a gun. When they are drunk, angry, feel that they are ridiculed, feel threatened (with or without reason) things escalate, someone pulls a "self-defence" handgun and suddenly someone is dead. This is the situation that the Harvard magazine article is describing.
The handgun-producing and handgun-selling industry is living of this fear. They are feeding it. Self-defence is their best marketing concept.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 26, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
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All you anti-gun people are ridiculous. Arguing that nuclear weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons should be legal too, if guns are. Really? Is that what this has come down to?
Then you guys really don't have a case. Go buy a gun, fools.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 26, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
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The question is where the line should be drawn. Currently its just below machine guns (AR-15s but not M-16s). Maybe handguns are on the other side of the line.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 26, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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Not by the guns but by the people.
It's easy to kill someone with a .22. If it wasn't, there'd be a lot less people in prison for murder.
The line isn't so strait anymore.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 26, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
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Then its about people. So only some people should have guns and the others are disqualified. The ones who can have guns can also have dynamite, anthrax, machine guns, land mines and so on. I doubt that's what you're arguing.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 26, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
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You're correct. It's not.
Every household should have a gun.
To protect the household.
Conceal Permits should only be given to those the Sheriff of that county sees fit to carry.
Nobody should own land mines, rocket launchers, anthrax, tear gas...
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jstan
climber
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Jul 26, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
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A year or so ago newspapers reported Yvon had been visited by a burglar. The same thing happened to his neighbor who had the poor judgment to leave the bedroom and was shot dead. Burglars now apparently go armed so they can defend themselves. It is an arms race. When you hear someone in the house stay in the bedroom but get out your night vision gear. When the prowler enters the master bedroom door you will know it is not your mom coming to recover something she forgot. You can blast away. As long as the burglar has not also gotten night vision gear you will the only one who can see what they are shooting at.
Have your wife in the walk-in closet with her own weapon. Be sure to have agreed beforehand on an all clear signal. If she does not hear the all clear she will know to blast anyone who tries to enter the closet.
Then to hedge the case where the burglar gets you both you can have a 500 pound bomb in the cellar that your wife can time to have go off a minute or two after the burglar tries to enter the walk-in closet.
That should about do it.
The 500 pound bomb may not be legal yet. But hey, we can't have burglars be the only ones with 500 pound bombs.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 26, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
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michaeld - your position is reasonable, but some have been arguing that the 2nd Amendment is supposed to put military weapons into the hands of the public, so when the big day comes, the people will be able to out-gun the military when they throw off the tyrannical government. That's the part that sounds ludacris.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 26, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
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Yeah, that'd be ludacris.
I'd sh#t myself daily if i knew my neighbors had m16 assault rifles.
But our founding father's couldn't imagine the weapons now days.
Obama:
Two months later, he wrote an op-ed outlining a plan that included enforcing existing laws and rewarding states that provide the best data about gun owners. But until Wednesday, he had mostly refrained from making public comments about the issue.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 26, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
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Every household should have a gun.
To protect the household.
Even convicted felons?
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