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marv
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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youTube would get, like, a gazillion hits if the bin Laden headshot were uploaded
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onyourleft
climber
Smog Angeles
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Will have to wait for answers and wait and wait for the 50 books on the adventure, then TV, then the movie? You think the "Three Tea" book is slanted.
FINALLY a Greg Mortenson reference!
Can we get back to bagging on him please?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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What is coming through is that there is absolutely nothing a non-republican president can do to satisfy certain people.
What does that mean, exactly? Be specific! I saluted Obama with other conservatives, WTF???
Americans are copying the cultures of the middle east. Even just reading some of the posts in this thread makes it apparent we soon will have Americans advocating stoning as a method of capital punishment. In a mere ten years we are already at the point of putting heads on pikes.
What?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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He wasn't talking about you personally, Blue.
Your own comment was duly noted as it was honest, thank you.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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How long until "bin Laden: The Movie" or "Date with Destiny: Abbottabad" come out? Is there enough for a mini-series?
There is probably a large quantity of video footage and still photos from the scene, and of course lots of other evidence. Before they release any of it, they'll carefully examine it for other useful information, and consider what effect it will have on US and world opinion. The US government may not benefit from some or all of it being published, and can probably declare all of it top-secret.
Only five or six people seem to have died altogether - peanuts in terms of the typical fantasy/action movie. The US government nonetheless may not have much to gain by publicizing the footage.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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wow karl,
you really ought to move to a country like Russia, or better yet Afghanistan so you rally have something to bitch about.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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wow karl,
you really ought to move to a country like Russia, or better yet Afghanistan so you rally have something to bitch about.
I was thinking along those lines too, but Karl is a true peacenik. I respect him for his consistent stance, but he's just wrong.
He doesn't realize they'd saw his head off too, despite his preachings. They are evil, Karl. No many humans could treat another human brother that way.
It's disgusting, really. I have NO sympathy for them. They will rot in hell with their fellow demons. I have no doubt.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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"It's disgusting, really. I have NO sympathy for them. They will rot in hell with their fellow demons. I have no doubt."
And that is EXACTLY the sentiment that propagates the continued bullshit on BOTH sides.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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I was thinking along those lines too, but Karl is a true peacenik. I respect him for his consistent stance, but he's just wrong.
And I was thinking how wrong you and Hawkeye are to tell someone they should move because they complain about the lies our government has told. Our government has told lies, but you guys seem to be so wrapped up in protecting it that you are willing to ignore this. In America we can hold our government to a higher level. Its countries like you suggest that don't allow their citizens to question it, so maybe it is YOU who should move, since you seem to think it is proper behavior for a citizen to just shut up.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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And that is EXACTLY the sentiment that propagates the continued bullshit on BOTH sides.
You obviously don't understand moderate Islam. Or moderate Christianity.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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I'm sure this will inflame the debate but it really isn't meant to . . .
I will not glorify death or the killing of another human being. I will not post pictures of OBL shot or his body desecrated. I wouldn't do that with anyone good or bad. The human body is a temple of GOD and should be treated as such. The human soul is eternal no matter if they are on the right side of GOD or on the wrong side of GOD, whether they are evil or good it doesn't matter. The soul deserves respect, and the physical body on Earth the soul once occupied deserves respect. It always deserves respect no matter who they are.
The gentleman who does "Ark Code" is an Orthodox Jew and I see eye-to-eye with him on many things, but some things I do not. I wish he didn't include the graphic images of OBL with his code work. I took the liberty of editing out those images.
(*Warning: graphic images of OBL shot dead that I won't post)
http://www.arkcode.com/custom3_140.html
BIN LADEN DEAD IN 5771 (2011)
Edit:
Well, I was gonna discuss it more and then boom most of the original post vanished with images and all. For crying out loud.
Oooooooooppppssseeeeeee. I was editing and the post mostly disappeared . . . man I hate that.
Technical difficulties . . .
I'll get back to discussing this eventually. Sorry.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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I can't wait that long.
Please, right now.
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jstan
climber
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"You have to realize that I was/am in favor of the way this mission was carried out and it's results. I'm just enjoying trolling the libs as these ethical issues come up. They really don't how to deal with hypocrisy."
Jeff
I really can't resist.
Jeff:
Liberals can't deal with hypocrisy as well as republicans can. Because..........
we have not had any practice at it.
OK. That feels better.
I'm back to normal now.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Hawkeye and Bluering wrote
wow karl,
you really ought to move to a country like Russia, or better yet Afghanistan so you rally have something to bitch about.
I was thinking along those lines too, but Karl is a true peacenik. I respect him for his consistent stance, but he's just wrong.
He doesn't realize they'd saw his head off too, despite his preachings. They are evil, Karl. No many humans could treat another human brother that way.
It's disgusting, really. I have NO sympathy for them. They will rot in hell with their fellow demons. I have no doubt.
Remember I was talking about the Iraq war now. Don't forget, Saddam didn't not attack us, wasn't about to attack us, and was the worst enemy of Islamic fundamentalists.
So is it somehow unamerican to question creating a couple million refugees, and over 100,000 dead in a country we had no legitimate beef with? Japan, Germany and Italy are great countries these days (relatively you must admit) but at one point they violently tried to force their empire on the world and did evil things. Aren't you, by not questioning your government's actions, lining yourself up with those Japanese, or German Citizens who went along with their government's violence and aggression. Even we had a revolution in the beginning of this country. I can hear you now if there was an internet then "Why do you hate your country England???!!!" and it wasn't like the England ruled with that heavy a hand and all the residents here considered themselves English in the beginning.
A patriot needs to be vocal to keep his country in truth as corrupt powers will always arise if not checked by the people.
So Bluering, these people in Iraq you call evil. Who are they exactly and how do we know them from the Good Iraqis? or are there none, and if so, why invade to allegedly help them (pump their oil or make sure it's sold in dollars) Even Bin Laden hated Saddam and wanted him gone. We did him a trillion dollar favor.
You all want to feel good about yourselves by feeling good about your country but it's not that easy. We're all mixed bags. By doing so we lie to ourselves. I will take pride in my criticism of both Bush and Obama, even if they were personable in their own way (at least on the surface with Bush)
You fall victim to the same trap that creates the extremists in the first place. They see the Palestinians oppressed by Israeli occupation or someone in their family killed in an US air strike, or suffer under a US supported King or Dictator and figure we're all evil and must be defeated. Do you blame them? Wouldn't you feel the same. Can't you stand in anyone elses shoes for a minute or do you need to be in bigoted self-congratulation mode since we killed another bogeyman that we used to pay to do the killing for us?
It's not a black and white world and it takes courage and honesty to see our strengths and our flaws
Peace
Karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Hey Stannard, I was hoping you'd address my questions on the previous page.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I've been disappointed by Obama many times in the past few years but as a person he seems super cool.
I didn't hate Bush the guy but did hate Bush the President so I sympathize for those staring down more years of Obama. The chances of electing one of the GOP clowns is about Zero now, since all the charismatic ones are obvious nutjobs and any halfway serious one is boring and has fatal flaws
Peace
karl
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WBraun
climber
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They failed again to "kill" the "Bin "Laden".
He's still alive and running around in everyone's head .......
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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George Bush's war on terror...49,000 Americans dead or injured, countless innocent Iraqis dead and four trillion dollars spent!!!
Dumb-ass!!!
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