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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 10, 2010 - 01:25pm PT
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Dalai Lama
Today, the values of democracy, open society, respect for human rights, and equality are becoming recognized all over the world as universal values. To my mind there is an intimate connection between democratic values, such as transparency, the rule of law and freedom of information, and the fundamental values of human goodness.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 10, 2010 - 02:19pm PT
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you don't have to limit that to leaders of the islamic world
people obsessed with being the boss do not always tend to be the most enlightened individuals
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 10, 2010 - 02:40pm PT
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By LOUISE NORDSTROM, Associated Press Louise Nordstrom, Associated Press – Fri Dec 10, 9:29 am ET
STOCKHOLM – Wikileaks soon won't be the only secret-spilling game in town.
A former co-worker of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange plans to launch a rival website Monday called Openleaks that will help anonymous sources deliver sensitive material to public attention.
In a documentary by Swedish broadcaster SVT, due to be aired Sunday and obtained in advance by The Associated Press, former WikiLeaks spokesman Daniel Domscheit-Berg said the new website will work as an outlet for anonymous sources.
"Openleaks is a technology project that is aiming to be a service provider for third parties that want to be able to accept material from anonymous sources," Domscheit-Berg said rare interviews conducted in Berlin.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101210/ap_on_hi_te/eu_wikileaks_rivals
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:40pm PT
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A very important documentary to watch on Wikileaks and Openleaks. Pretty up to date except for the arrest:
WikiRebels - The Documentary (1/4)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x534052
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhTfOL9_HBE
WikiRebels - The Documentary (2/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRF3gYxz1XQ&feature=related
WikiRebels - The Documentary (3/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6TRb40Km6A&feature=related
WikiRebels - The Documentary (4/4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8imkYy_hJ4E&feature=related
Here it is all together:
http://svtplay.se/v/2264028/wikirebels___the_documentary?cb,a1364145,1,f,-1/pb,a1364142,1,f,-1/pl,v,,2264028/sb,p118750,1,f,-1
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:18am PT
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This leaking thing is out of the bag now and not dependent on JA or Wikileaks.
It's part of a trend that's running parallel to the failure of governments to honestly deal with any of our problems or threats in just or sane ways. Government is about defending selfish interests of the status quo in power and that's it.
The truth is coming out about government and about people who live lies. The light is going to shine and we'll have to get our heads out of the sand.
I think this is even the case in our personal lives. It's a new era. Face our shadows or they will come bite us, like magic.
Get ready. One thing leads to another. Interesting times are dawning
Peace
Karl
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:56am PT
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Ron,
That is truly sad.
Who did it? Someone who doesn't care about other peoples' faith or feelings. Someone who hides in secret. Someone who doesn't tell the truth.
Someone who doesn't care for others and hides their crime from others, and does not want to be exposed.
Truly, someone who is a coward.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 12, 2010 - 11:53am PT
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Have TPTB just pulled an internet 9-11 inside job on us?
Internet 'Kill Switch' Approved By Senate Homeland Security Committee
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9752990
“The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs has approved a cybersecurity bill, Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act (PCNAA), that would give the president far-reaching authority over the Internet in the case of emergency.
As The Hill explains, the bill, sponsored by Sens. Joe Lieberman, Susan Collins, and Tom Carper, would give the president "emergency authority to shut down private sector or government networks in the event of a cyber attack capable of causing massive damage or loss of life." The original bill granted the president the authority to "indefinitely" shut down networks, but an amendment to the PCNAA, approved yesterday, mandates that the president "get Congressional approval after controlling a network for 120 days."
MORE...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/25/internet-kill-switch-appr_n_625856.html?ref=fb&src=sp
Anyone who supports this Bill should be dismissed from office.
Now they want to control what we say, see, or read.
Where are those who defend our Constitution?
Abide by your oaths of office.
This should not be allowed to stand.
Get ready to fight this legislation.
Edit:
Perhaps we can write messages on money and lampposts. Graffiti will be our new internet. The truth can not be stopped.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Dec 12, 2010 - 11:59am PT
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I liked what Ellsberg and Ron Paul said. As covered by Keith Olbermann. Makes a person think twice.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 12, 2010 - 12:34pm PT
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Ron,
We have been worried about this since the "internets" were invented. Just seems they are using the Wikileaks event as a "New Pearl Harbor" to attempt to bring this about.
And we all see right through it.
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crawdaddy
Trad climber
California
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Dec 12, 2010 - 03:11pm PT
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I thought wikileaks was when my dog gets excited and he leaks pee on my foot.
Paul
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Homer
Mountain climber
742 Evergreen Terrace
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Dec 12, 2010 - 06:43pm PT
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Yea, maybe loss of our (government's, personal) privacy is good for us, because we become more accountable. Some might see that as a loss of freedom as well. But maybe that's good for us.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Dec 12, 2010 - 07:17pm PT
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You are all misunderstanding the situation. We have to get off this planet; and we have to get off fast!  John Young; Gemini, Apollo, Shuttle, Astronaut Commander
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 12, 2010 - 07:53pm PT
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Assange Lawyer: U.S. Wants to Get Their "Mitts" on WikiLeaks Founder (Grand Jury Empaneled in VA)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4655750
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20025418-503543.html
Source: CBS News
December 12, 2010 9:21 AM
Assange Lawyer: U.S. Wants to Get Their "Mitts" on WikiLeaks Founder
Posted by CBSNews.com staff
Julian Assange's lawyer, Mark Stephens, discussed the fate of the jailed WikiLeaks founder with Sir David Frost on Al Jazeera TV, maintaining that U.S. authorities are trying to get custody of his client.
"We have heard from the Swedish authorities there has been a secretly empaneled grand jury in Alexandria...just over the river from Washington DC, next to the Pentagon," Stephens said. "They are currently investigating this, and indeed the Swedes we understand have said that if he comes to Sweden, they will defer their interest in him to the Americans. Now that shows some level of collusion and embarrassment, so it does seem to me what we have here is nothing more than holding charges...so ultimately they can get their mitts on him."
Last week, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said, "We have a very serious criminal investigation that's underway, and we're looking at all of the things that we can do to try to stem the flow of this information."
WikiLeaks Full Coverage
The House Judiciary Committee will hold a Dec. 16 hearing on the potential application of U.S. espionage laws in relation to WikiLeaks, the committee announced on Friday, marking the first such hearing to address the website's recent release of classified U.S. diplomatic cables.
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@GregMitch
Greg Mitchell
Assange atty tells David Frost a grand jury empaneled in Alexandria VA to get Assange.
@jeremyscahill
jeremy scahill
RT @WLLegal: Assange's lawyer: "secretly empaneled grand jury" in VA seeking indictment of #Wikileaks
Tiny Iceland takes on credit card giants in Wikileaks flap
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4655516
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/301340#ixzz17ufl66Gq
WikiLeaks 'rape' victims had hidden agendas ... and I've seen the proof says Julian Assange's lawyer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4655898
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337862/WikiLeaks-rape-victims-hidden-agendas---Ive-seen-proof-says-Assange-lawyer.html
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 10:26pm PT
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DMT, I first heard, dingy Harry, at a party. So what if Rush came up with it? Are you a fan of his?!
Hey Norwegian sheepbugger aka Dr. F., I totally made that crap up! You dumbass! Hahahahahahhahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!111111
And as far as the rascist comment about Obummer, never heard it before twistcase, Matty Moore, started spewing it.
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 10:46pm PT
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It's true. You're the one that seems to enjoy pointing out that label?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 12, 2010 - 10:48pm PT
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Klimsie, never did see your thoughts about Assange denouncing 9/11. Care to discuss it here?
Mimi,
From another thread I'm responding.
Yes, I have now seen videos where he does indicate his doubt. Webster Tarpley has a lot to say regarding JA. I'm not sure yet. I do not think JA is CIA and a Manchurian Candidate. Time will tell.
I think JA/Wikileaks is doing good work to keep governments honest. Hold them to account. Gee they hate that don't they?
Many people do not know about 9-11 truth now have not taken a serious look into the evidence. They can change their minds later given the time and the evidence. This is exactly what happened to Jesse Ventura. At one time he denounced it and said "No way!" Then he took the time to look into it and to check it out. Now he knows.
Guess what is coming up next week on Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura? Uh oh.
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Mimi
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 10:51pm PT
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Jesse Ventura says it's so?!
I'll make extra sure to watch the show. Will report back.
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