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Klimmer
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San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2010 - 09:45am PT
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Port,
The massive object on the backside of the Moon . . .
Do I really know what it is? No. Do I suspect? Yes. Have I already given my best guess (my hypothesis)? Yes. Ok, I will admit I chose the title of this thread to spark interest, because on another thread we were all talking about Noah's Ark.
But considering a very well known story now, Apollo 20, which might have some elements of truth in it, or it is all elaboratelyy hoaxed, but I seriously doubt that. Who would go to that extreme to hoax all of that elaborate imagery and video footage. Who has that kind of time to do something like that and not get any monetary return? (Well, certain agencies I know of do have that kind of budget and do have that kind of access and ability.) They did all of that for a laugh? I don't think so.
I already posted which video sequences seem real to me that were posted by RetiredAFB. So for sure some look entirely hoaxed. Some look like clay animations, but some look entirely real.
Like I said, a great way to cause doubt is to mix real with fake. Classic KKKarl Rove move. All you have to do then is point out the fake, and it puts all of it into doubt. Didn't they do that with Commader AWOL Bush's service records? Yep. Look who got burned. The info was real, but it was reproduced on fake documents/paper, and Dan Rather had to suffer the outfall. Anyone who has really looked into it with all the witnesses know the info is correct, Commander AWOL did infact go AWOL.
With the LRO hi-resolution images of said object released by NASA, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We would all know already if it were a natural object (highly doubtful, since a natural object of that massive size does not come to rest peacefully on the Moon) or it is an object of intelligent design. My hypothesis is it is an object of intelligent design. It looks to be very much like a massive spacecraft. If it is a massive spacecraft about 4500m X 750m or so, then calling it an "Ark" wouldn't be far from the truth.
We will see.
By the way, if it is an intelligently designed spacecraft, I'm pretty sure they already got the first ascent in the constructing of it ;-))
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2010 - 01:10pm PT
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The evidence that there is microbial cryptoendolithic life on Mars now, or at least in Mars past is mounting daily:
Favorable climate in Mars past
Liquid water in Mars past (trace amounts at least now, phoenix proved that)
Plenty of H2O ice, and CO2 ice now over many regions of the planet either on the surface or below ground
Seasonal discharges of Methane into Mars atmosphere every year
Plenty of hydro mineral evidence abounds, which would be great habitat for microbial crytoendolithic life even now
Past Mars very sensitive experiment (on Viking? in the 70s) that did indeed show a positive test result for the gas exchange for the metabolism of microbial life
Plenty of Biomorph formations within ALH84001 Mars meteorite within hydro minerals (biomorphic pure nanomagnetite crystals) and now even biomorphic formations in other well known Mars meteorites are being found
The latest Big News:
NASA team cites new evidence that meteorites from Mars contain ancient fossils
By Marc Kaufman,Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 4, 2010
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043002000.html
The evidence that microbial life exists off of Earth (on Mars) (extra-terrestrial) even within our own Solar System is mounting up. The evidence that intelligent life has been visiting Earth and observing us for a very long time is seriously here now and more and more is coming out and being officially released. Just pay attention.
Peoples' World View (their own personal reality) is about to go through a massive change . . .
Be ready. It will be OK. Hold on tight to GOD's hand.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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May 12, 2010 - 01:24pm PT
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. The evidence that intelligent life has been visiting Earth and observing us for a very long time is seriously here now and more and more is coming out and being officially released. Just pay attention.
There is a large gap between the existence of microbial life and intelligent life that is observing us. The first part is evidenced based, the second part is completely fabricated by you....and a few others whose mental state is in question.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 12, 2010 - 01:26pm PT
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Port- I admire your patience! Then again...
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 12, 2010 - 02:09pm PT
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There is lots of room for not-knowing regarding what relationship or knowledge alien races might have regarding this planet.
On the other hand, anybody who thinks we are the most intelligent life in the universe is simply narrow minded. Earth exceptionalism!
For a perspective that has nothing to do with aliens, check out the extent of the known universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U&feature=related
Peace
Karl
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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May 12, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
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They're Made Out of Meat
by Terry Bisson
“They’re made out of meat.”
“Meat?”
“Meat. They’re made out of meat.”
“Meat?”
“There’s no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They’re completely meat.”
“That’s impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?”
“They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don’t come from them. The signals come from machines.”
“So who made the machines? That’s who we want to contact.”
“They made the machines. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. Meat made the machines.”
“That’s ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You’re asking me to believe in sentient meat.”
“I’m not asking you, I’m telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they’re made out of meat.”
“Maybe they’re like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage.”
“Nope. They’re born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn’t take long. Do you have any idea what’s the life span of meat?”
“Spare me. Okay, maybe they’re only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside.”
“Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They’re meat all the way through.”
“No brain?”
“Oh, there’s a brain all right. It’s just that the brain is made out of meat! That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you.”
“So . . . what does the thinking?”
“You’re not understanding, are you? You’re refusing to deal with what I’m telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat.”
“Thinking meat! You’re asking me to believe in thinking meat!”
“Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?”
“You’re serious then. They’re made out of meat.”
“Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they’ve been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years.”
“So what does this meat have in mind?”
“First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual.”
“We’re supposed to talk to meat.”
“That’s the idea. That’s the message they’re sending out by radio. ‘Hello. Anyone out there? Anybody home?’ That sort of thing.”
“They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?”
“Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat.”
“I thought you just told me they used radio.”
“They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat.”
“Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?”
“Officially or unofficially?”
“Both.”
“Officially, we are required to contact, welcome, and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear, or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing.”
“I was hoping you would say that.”
“It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?”
“I agree one hundred percent. What’s there to say? ‘Hello, meat. How’s it going?’ But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?”
“Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can’t live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact.”
“So we just pretend there’s no one home in the Universe.”
“That’s it.”
“Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You’re sure they won’t remember?”
“They’ll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we’re just a dream to them.”
“A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat’s dream.”
“And we marked the entire sector unoccupied.”
“Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?”
“Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen-core cluster intelligence in a class-nine star in G445 zone was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again.”
“They always come around.”
“And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone . . . ”
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
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There is a large gap between the existence of microbial life and intelligent life that is observing us. The first part is evidenced based, the second part is completely fabricated by you....and a few others whose mental state is in question.
Port,
So I have that kind of power to fabricate evidence that UFOs/Aliens do indeed exist, and show themselves with massive amounts of people observing? 2 quick examples: The Phoenix lights, and the O'hare Airport incidents. Both very well documented. What is the guvs response, none or we don't know.
Wow, I didn't know I could do that. I must be pretty incredible then.
Say hi to Jim L., the director of the Aztec Outdoor Adventure for me. Long time since I have come in to talk and see him. The wall you climb on at ARC was built by a fellow collegue and friend at the time when we were in "The Leisure Connection" together, Cort Gariepy (sp?). He has done exceptionally well in the Artificial Rock Climbing Wall World. He and others put Solid Rock together in San Diego. Cort and I did the Eastface of Whitney together, many moons ago. Great guy. He is a Christian also.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2010 - 03:01pm PT
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Shouldn't you be teaching the next generation something Klimmer?
Ho-hum. Apparently you don't understand personal time. By the way, I'm teaching you whether you like it or not. Truth seeps in.
Shouldn't you be studying?
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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May 12, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
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Klimmmer, you're getting closer. Yes, the aliens are real and there is some truth in what you're posting. As I've tried to tell you before the aliens are behind the debacle in the "garden of eden" when humankind's collective vibration was lowered (certain DNA strands deactivated to protect us from an alien infection). You're hamstrung mostly by your faulty conceptions of God and demons and faulty belief in the Bible as the real arbiter. The damage will be repaired soon and some people are already healed of it.
Look, the whole problem is the alien's violation of the Prime Directive. They interfered here against the rules. No, the Prime Directive was not invented by Star Trek, it is totally a real law governing the intelligent space faring races of the galaxy.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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May 12, 2010 - 04:41pm PT
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Hey Binks I heard the Prime Directive says you suck alien balls.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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May 12, 2010 - 04:43pm PT
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DR- That is the best post on this entire thread!
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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May 12, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
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Its not that you fabricated the evidence, its that you've have fabricated an explanation that is preposterous given the ambiguity of the evidence. I hope that is more clear. Im sure you will argue that the evidence is not ambiguous, but it is. Thats just where we will agree to disagree....and on all that bible stuff too. As Ed has pointed out earlier, many people infer deep meaning in random events. You're one of these people. Im not.
And Jim is still at Aztec Adventures, Ill make sure to say hi for you Klimmer. Peace.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 12, 2010 - 05:13pm PT
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Klimmer, what are your thoughts on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
Liked DR's post - who can take any of this stuff seriously? If there are space aliens of any kind, able to come to our planet, their technology would be far superior to ours.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
Berkeley, CA
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May 12, 2010 - 05:33pm PT
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This has 700+ posts????
There is a cool episode of the 70s show "In Search Of" about ancient aviators in Peru. Quite possibly more plausable than whatever it was I saw on the first page of this thread.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2010 - 05:35pm PT
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"...massive amounts of people observing..."
Massive NUMBERS of people not massive AMOUNTS of people
Don't you need to have an education to be a teacher any more?
MB,
This has got to be the most pathetic criticism ever. I'm pretty sure you know what is meant, and yes you can say "massive amount."
Now if you want to critcize my spelling, well that is another matter.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/amount
a·mount /əˈmaʊnt/ Show Spelled[uh-mount] Show IPA
–noun
1. the sum total of two or more quantities or sums; aggregate.
2. the sum of the principal and interest of a loan.
3. quantity; measure: a great amount of resistance.
4. the full effect, value, or significance.
–verb (used without object)
5. to total; add (usually fol. by to ): The repair bill amounts to $300.
6. to reach, extend, or be equal in number, quantity, effect, etc.; be equivalent (usually fol. by to ): It is stated differently but amounts to the same thing.
7. to develop into; become (usually fol. by to ): With his intelligence, he should amount to something when he grows up.
Boy talk about grasping at thin air . . .
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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May 12, 2010 - 05:58pm PT
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Klimmer -- its a plural thing that has to do with the *noun* in the sentence-- "massive amount" is fine
number of dollars
amount of money
number of people
amount of meat (hat tip to DR's excellent post)
EDIT: Scientists and Bible Scholars have proven that people react more positively to arguments made using proper grammar. I'm just trying to be helpful.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 12, 2010 - 06:08pm PT
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Klimmer,
Your conspiracy analysis on our government, science' bible and what else? I like your comment on COINTELPRO though. Cover-up’s, yes! We are good at that.
Be interesting if this thread gets close to "Why are those Rep so wrong on everything"
You are right our Government is ready. Next time you are in the valley go for a walk. Ok! No walk, park at the Church Bowl parking lot. Bring a magnet with you, does not have to be strong. Open the door, you can stay in the car if need be or get out. Place the magnet + - facing the ground about ½ an inch. Look at the particles it picks up. Gov has spread these all over the valley so when sh#t hits the fan they will turn on their non-disclosed classified SAT payloads in space that are placed in strategic places and then charge the particles so that they will….
Hold on there is a knock at my door.
Ok, just a guy handing out free samples of a new drink, Hey! not bad, a little bitter but not as much as coffee.
So back to what I was saying.
So now or when the time comes, particles charged and then they are, thye rea I meen oure Govvvvvmir isl guimg tu........................................................................
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2010 - 06:32pm PT
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“And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone . . . ”
Yes, I did read DR post. I get it. I laughed. Good satire. But read the last line again.
I had a couple of complete nut job teachers growing up.
Glad to see Klimmer is keeping the tradition alive.
You know someone here is gonna get the last laugh.
There are either UFOs/Aliens or there are not. The evidence is rapidly piling up in the "they are real and they are here" category.
Jesus is right or he isn't. My faith and personal experience says he is right, and I'm gonna hang out and stick with the Big Guy. I'm thinking he knows what he is talking about.
You know what I find soooo ironic and funny? If you guys really think this is all bat-poop crazy stuff and that I should be in a straight jacket and mental hospital, then why the heck do you post to this thread and communicate with someone who should be in such a hospital?
THAT IS THE REAL MYSTERY. So, apparently you guys like communicating with insane people. WHY?
I'm laughing so hard tears are rolling down my cheeks . . .
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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May 12, 2010 - 06:49pm PT
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It is out of compassion Klimmer. We realize how important it is to you to have an audience and as we are by and large, more or less, sort of, kind and sensitive folks here we are stepping up to try and make your life better.
Turns out I am not all that kind and I usually regret getting mixed up in these dumb threads and go back delete all my contributions. It is therefore dangerous to actually respond to me by name as your response post will look odd and out of place in the future.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 12, 2010 - 08:26pm PT
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It is out of compassion Klimmer. We realize how important it is to you to have an audience and as we are by and large, more or less, sort of, kind and sensitive folks here we are stepping up to try and make your life better.
Turns out I am not all that kind and I usually regret getting mixed up in these dumb threads and go back delete all my contributions. It is therefore dangerous to actually respond to me by name as your response post will look odd and out of place in the future.
Mike Bolte,
Actually I think you all respond because it does ring true. There is some truth here. Do we have it all figured out? No. But something big is happening around the World and people truly want to know what is going on.
Thousands of people are seeing these things and all at once, and making credible reports. Governments are starting to come clean, with the exception of the USA. You can try to spin that anyway you want to, but it is happening. You can't stop it no matter how hard you want it not to be true. Try to wish it away, that just isn't going to happen.
It is real. You better get used to the idea. Disclosure is happening now.
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