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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 21, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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Ron, orbital variations have been looked at in detail. They explain the major glacical periods pretty well.
But they are ABSOLUTELY NOT responsible for the recent observed changes in global climate. ABSOLUTELY 100% NOT.
Sure models aren't perfect, just like your dead things aren't alive... but mounting a trout on a sage branch? That's fuking retarded.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 21, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
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But they are ABSOLUTELY NOT responsible for the recent observed changes in global climate. ABSOLUTELY 100% NOT.
Correct
And it is the thinning of the earth's ozone layer
that is causing the warming increase
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 21, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
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Yeah Ron, Where is Knotts? I have it from reliable sources that their was complaint to mac. So you can begin to see the depths of their desperation, when somebody mounts an effective counter campaign against them they plead for removal. Me- Norton? no, not me , i haven't even begun yet.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 21, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
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Although I did not 'snitch' we all deserve a little bit more serious discourse. How far do you want to lower the bar Ron?
depths of their desperation Yeah, for a more serious discussion.
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raymond phule
climber
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May 21, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
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So you can begin to see the depths of their desperation, when somebody mounts an effective counter campaign against them they plead for removal.
Hilarious!
Effective counter campaign?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 21, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
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That guy was below ground and you know it. People don't get banned from blogs unless they are total bull and detract from the purpose of the thread. It's the law! :>)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 21, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
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"Knotts- members account deactivated"...
wow
well, I know of absolutely NO reason why this happened
nothing on THIS thread that he said was in any way worthy of banning
maybe he said something on another thread OR maybe he sent an nasty ass email to someone...
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 21, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
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On the other hand, I spend too much time here anyway.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 21, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
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Well if it isnt the tri personality of Dick Sumner.
You know your right.
How would anybody else know of knotts disbarment?
You are right.
I have seen a pic of you there Dick,looks ALOT like the cheif.
You are always RIGHT.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
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Who is Bharta? I looked up his posts and all are right wing polititard rants...His recent posts about 'Taxpayer funded Green Energy Scams" stealing funds from Tornado victims are a bit disturbing.
Rong I think you do good Taxidermy work!! I just am asking how you prove it is a stuffed animal (taxidermy) versus a high quality painted ceramic when we view it over the internet...All I'm saying is it's hard for you to do!! If I post a false ad saying your work is really ceramics--how can you refute me---kind of like all the false b.s. Bharta posts it is hard/time consuming to refute!!!
By the way I declare victory (like Rick Sumner)---we have gotten Ron to admit the climate is CHANGING!!!Now all we have to do is get him to do some research into how much CO2 is put into the atmosphere each year by volcanic eruptions and other natural sources versus how much CO2 is put into the atmosphere by humans burning shit!! I am confident if RON does the research he will be convinced it is correct...I will begin holding my breath NOW...
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
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I asked about Knott's last night when someone mentioned we wouldn't see him post anymore---he mentioned something about us libs having our nose up the a*# of the sheep in front of us...
I guess he got banned by emailing someone...I will go back to my posts and see who it was that posted he would be gone...
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
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Monolith posted this last night:
Say goodbye to Knotts, aka, The Chief.
Clever choice of avatar, considering how nautical it and The Chief are.
Then K-man posted he wouldn't be missed...
I posted next asking if Knott's was indeed banned...
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 21, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
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There are many holes and not just in the ozone.
now you got me good, Ron
I was not aware of any other named "holes" in our atmosphere other than the Ozone
please name just a few of the "many" other holes?
thanks
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
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I agree Ron!! Which is why I would like you to look up studies and provide us with the links on Natural Causes of C02 emitted into the atmosphere versus Human Causes of CO2 emitted into the atmosphere and the amounts of each!! I think you are intelligent and obviously care enough to do the research!!
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 21, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
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The mind (my mind, anyway) boggles at trying to follow this exchange, but I gather that something or other is being claimed about polar bears? It's easy enough to check current research, e.g.
A tale of two polar bear populations: ice habitat, harvest, and body condition
Rode et al., Population Ecology (2011)
One of the primary mechanisms by which sea ice loss is expected to affect polar bears is via reduced body condition and growth resulting from reduced access to prey. To date, negative effects of sea ice loss have been documented for two of 19 recognized populations. Effects of sea ice loss on other polar bear populations that differ in harvest rate, population density, and/or feeding ecology have been assumed, but empirical support, especially quantitative data on population size, demography, and/or body condition spanning two or more decades, have been lacking. We examined trends in body condition metrics of captured bears and relationships with summertime ice concentration between 1977 and 2010 for the Baffin Bay (BB) and Davis Strait (DS) polar bear populations. Polar bears in these regions occupy areas with annual sea ice that has decreased markedly starting in the 1990s. Despite differences in harvest rate, population density, sea ice concentration, and prey base, polar bears in both populations exhibited positive relationships between body condition and summertime sea ice cover during the recent period of sea ice decline. Furthermore, females and cubs exhibited relationships with sea ice that were not apparent during the earlier period (1977–1990s) when sea ice loss did not occur. We suggest that declining body condition in BB may be a result of recent declines in sea ice habitat. In DS, high population density and/or sea ice loss, may be responsible for the declines in body condition.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 21, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
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Effects of climate warming on polar bears: a review of the evidence
Sterling & Derocher, Global Change Biology (2012)
Climate warming is causing unidirectional changes to annual patterns of sea ice distribution, structure, and freeze-up. We summarize evidence that documents how loss of sea ice, the primary habitat of polar bears (Ursus maritimus), negatively affects their long-term survival. To maintain viable subpopulations, polar bears depend on sea ice as a platform from which to hunt seals for long enough each year to accumulate sufficient energy (fat) to survive periods when seals are unavailable. Less time to access to prey, because of progressively earlier breakup in spring, when newly weaned ringed seal (Pusa hispida) young are available, results in longer periods of fasting, lower body condition, decreased access to denning areas, fewer and smaller cubs, lower survival of cubs as well as bears of other age classes and, finally, subpopulation decline toward eventual extirpation. The chronology of climate-driven changes will vary between subpopulations, with quantifiable negative effects being documented first in the more southerly subpopulations, such as those in Hudson Bay or the southern Beaufort Sea. As the bears' body condition declines, more seek alternate food resources so the frequency of conflicts between bears and humans increases. In the most northerly areas, thick multiyear ice, through which little light penetrates to stimulate biological growth on the underside, will be replaced by annual ice, which facilitates greater productivity and may create habitat more favorable to polar bears over continental shelf areas in the short term. If the climate continues to warm and eliminate sea ice as predicted, polar bears will largely disappear from the southern portions of their range by mid-century. They may persist in the northern Canadian Arctic Islands and northern Greenland for the foreseeable future, but their long-term viability, with a much reduced global population size in a remnant of their former range, is uncertain.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 21, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
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Importance of fast ice and glacier fronts for female polar bears and their cubs during spring in Svalbard, Norway
Freitas et al. Marine Ecology Progress Series (2012)
Arctic sea ice is declining rapidly, making it vital to understand the importance of different types of sea ice for ice-dependent species such as polar bears Ursus maritimus. In this study we used GPS telemetry (25 polar bear tracks obtained in Svalbard, Norway, during spring) and high-resolution synthetic aperture radar (SAR) sea-ice data to investigate fine-scale space use by female polar bears. Space use patterns differed according to reproductive state; females with cubs of the year (COYs) had smaller home ranges and used fast-ice areas more frequently than lone females. First-passage time (FPT) analysis revealed that females with COYs displayed significantly longer FPTs near (<10 km) glacier fronts than in other fast-ice areas; lone females also increased their FPTs in such areas, but they also frequently used drifting pack ice. These results clearly demonstrate the importance of fast-ice areas, in particular close to glacier fronts, especially for females with COYs. Access to abundant and predictable prey (ringed seal pups), energy conservation and reluctance to cross large open water areas are possible reasons for the observed patterns. However, glacier fronts are retracting in Svalbard, and declines in land-fast ice have been notable over the past decade. The eventual disappearance of these important habitats might become critical for the survival of polar bear cubs in Svalbard and other regions with similar habitat characteristics. Given the relatively small size of many fast-ice areas in Svalbard, the results observed in this study would not have been revealed using less accurate location data or lower-resolution sea-ice data.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 21, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
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Ron, what's the clue, in the first two words of your funnyman's graph, that it was not drawn by any scientist?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 21, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
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Try again, what's the answer to my question?
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