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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 15, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
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The Armed Citizen:
Officials in a Philadelphia suburb are looking for an Iraq war veteran they say is a suspect in a shooting rampage that left six of his relatives dead Monday.
Former Marine Corps Sgt. Bradley William Stone, 35, of Pennsburg, Pa., is being sought in the shootings in Lansdale, Lower Salford Township and Souderton.
Montgomery County law enforcement officials said they considered Stone armed and dangerous, and that he often used a cane or a walker and might be wearing military fatigues. As of Monday afternoon, local media reported that SWAT teams had surrounded a home in Pennsburg, and a news conference by public safety officials was delayed.
All the victims have a familial relationship to Stone, police said, but they did not identify them. http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-montogomery-county-shooting-20141215-story.html
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jonnyrig
climber
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Dec 15, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
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Given the way people drive, regardless of having a license, why would you expect gun owners that have passed a test to be any more capable than the drivers?
Once again, I'll say that a licensing scheme wouldn't be horrible for gun owners. Unfortunately, as in California, it doesn't stop there. Call it a slippery slope if you like, but while Cali requires handgun owners to get certification, they also limit what guns you can buy there, and not necessarily based on what the state considers safe or appropriate. They allow exceptions. You see the gun I just built? So did my buddy in the great state of Cali. Only his runs a 7inch pistol barrel and pistol stock. And he's completely legal. Now, Cali requires a "bullet button" which is a device that is supposed to limit the ability of a person to change magazines in quick fashion. When he brings his gun up here though, a neodymium magnet does a fine job of rendering the bullet button operation to exactly that of a regular mag release. No hi-cap mags in Cali? True. So you buy a "parts kit" instead, which amounts to a disassembled magazine.
Pass all the laws you want. Just don't forget to close the loopholes. Take the placebo with three quarts of beer, but don't call ME in the morning...
And if you want to consider whether or not I'm a responsible gun owner, just ask yourself if you'd ride in my truck with me...
'cause around here, that's probably a greater risk to your personal well-being.
Meanwhile, I'd be happy to give you a belay. I'll even bring the beer.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 15, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
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Oh My God Johnny!!!
A GHOST GUN!!!!!
The horror.... the horror...
Now, keeping with the spirit of federal laws, is it true you can't sell a firearm (the receiver) you make yourself?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 15, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
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All those stringent gun laws worked for the Ausies today, didn't they?
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Dec 15, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
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Back before I moved to Canada I had a beautiful little K22 Masterpiece with a 1.3x Phantom scope on it. You could drive tacks with it. Used it to hunt blue grouse on the Olympic peninsula. When we moved to Canada, the restrictions on handguns were so severe that I sadly left it with my brother. I was also offered the gift of an early Hi Standard .22 by a friend of my father’s, but had to decline.
However, once the initial pain was past I found I didn’t miss the handgun. Rifles were plenty, and I fed the family moose for ten years with a pre-64 30-06, a knife, saw, canoe and pack frame. However the Cdn. government, ever eager to please whomever holds the most votes, has flipped back and forth with licensing and registration, then no registration, and I suspect with a change in parties, back to registration again. Thundering pain in the ass, especially for people like us who live in or near a relative wilderness.
This fall, not too far from here, a rogue grizzly came in through a window, chased the occupants out, and killed the lovely woman before her husband could shoot it.
http://www.yukon-news.com/news/grizzly-mauls-teslin-woman-to-death/
So much for being required to have guns and ammo locked up, separately.
On the other hand, from observation I’m convinced that a substantial part of the population shouldn’t even be allowed to reproduce or vote, much less own a gun.
Hard to find a balance.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Dec 15, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
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I thought it prudent to look it up myself. Here is what ATFE has to say on the subject. About 3/4 down the page under "Firearms Technology".
https://www.atf.gov/content/Firearms/firearms-industry/FAQ-firearms
"Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future."
linky to 27 CFR 478.92
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.92
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 16, 2014 - 07:16am PT
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Interesting, although it would seem prudent to perhaps keep things that you manufacture. There's a whole raft of BATF laws and licenses dealing with legitimate manufacturers.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 16, 2014 - 11:01am PT
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And when Feinsteins of the world figure out its the UPPER that is the "dangerous" part~~ SO much for no background check on those too.
Good. Maybe I'll drop her a line.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Dec 16, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
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Most, Dingus, as in "the majority" regulate themselves pretty well. The minority are the ones you guys take issue with. Only most of the time the anti-gun side goes after blanket bans etc. You're probably more likely to fall off a rock.
Apologies Ron. Sometimes I get to thinking it doesn't make snowball's difference in a blizzard so I just go ahead and pull the posts. See ya.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Dec 16, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
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You mean I can't hand them out at the soup kitchen any more?
Really, I shouldn't be here posting. But I'm stuck in a damned office all day now, staring at a giant wall poster of Yosemity that belongs to my coworker. Above his desk is Zion. I'm getting fat. Take me climbing, I'll bring some elk burger. None of us is going to settle this f*#ked up debate. To hell with it... let's go after an adventure.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Dec 16, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
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Nah... I grind some pork fat or bacon in so they'll stay together.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Dec 16, 2014 - 06:46pm PT
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Where are all the cut-and-paste reports on murders and violent crimes that go down without a gun?
Oh yeah... Those mean nothing here.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 16, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
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^Well this is a "Gun" debate thread. If you're saying that these other crimes are relevant somehow, then it is incumbant on you to say what they are and how they are relevant.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Dec 16, 2014 - 06:58pm PT
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Well, it goes back to doing more to solve violent crime in general, not just crimes committed involving the additional use of firearms. So if my contention is that we should be doing more to prevent acts of violence in general, and that those efforts would be more worthwhile than some short-sighted ban on particular types of firearms that doesn't address the underlying causes, then yeah. I'd say they're relevant.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 16, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
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Fair enough.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 16, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
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Dec 16, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
Yes and the shytstorm still surrounding Sandyhook is off the charts! We may never know what EXACTLY took place, but we haven't been told anywhere near the truth.
Oh man, I'd love to hear what the crazies in the wingnutosphere thinks " really" happened.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Dec 17, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
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Ron,
Absolute BS on your industry being remotely close to tightly regulated. You've previously claimed to exceed ATF requirements for building security, which is a relief since Federal regulations don't even require firearms dealers to lock their doors at night, or even have locks on those doors.
TE
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 30, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
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The Armed Citizen:
A woman is dead after her 2-year-old son accidentally shot her at a Wal-Mart store in northern Idaho on Tuesday, officials said.
Veronica J. Rutledge, 29, had the handgun in her purse while shopping with family members at the Wal-Mart in Hayden, the Kootenai County Sheriff's Office said. About 10:20 a.m., it said, her son, sitting in the shopping cart, “accessed” the gun and fired it. Rutledge was hit.
Rutledge, who lived in the city of Blackfoot in the southeastern part of the state, was the owner of the gun and had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, a sheriff's spokesman told the Los Angeles Times. http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-toddler-gun-walmart-20141230-story.html
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 30, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
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Happens all the time...courtesy of the Republican Party.
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