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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Such are the pitfalls when this complex subject is approached vis a vis CNN or CBS or whatever network it was .
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Well, contact her and tell her that you are "DMT" and you'd like her to take you.
She said she wanted to in the news piece.
I believe her.
( I know this is silly but you gotta do something while cooking Broccoli)
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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I know I like my drone better, even if it does seem to have a thing for my face
Verdi is a sweetheart. Will you clone one for me?
Therapy drone?
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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A statement by Kokyo Henkel (zen teacher at Santa Cruz Zen Center)regarding intoxicants.
Thank you for the post Chris Bennett and for your soma thesis, a well-reasoned response to Wasson, McKenna, etc... I have found it surprising that in the volumes of monastic precepts and regulations taught by the Buddha, which are some of the oldest known texts attributed to him, he speaks of many different kinds of foods and medicines that are permitted and not permitted for the monks to use, but there is no mention of any "intoxicant" other than various types of fermented alcohol. There are records of cannabis use by Indian yogis long before the Buddha up to the present day, so it is interesting to me that the Buddha never mentions it. Again and again he said that alcohol ought not to be consumed, as it leads to heedlessness (breaking other precepts, i.e. harming others). The ancient and modern commentaries also make the point that not drinking alcohol is not an ethical issue in and of itself, just that it tends to lead to carelessness about the welfare of others which is an ethical issue. In China, the precept is also translated as not drinking alcohol, but when Buddhism began to thrive in America in the 1960's at the height of widespread drug use, this fifth precept began being translated as "not consuming intoxicants" and now that is the general understanding in this country - to the point where people quote the Buddha as saying one should refrain from all intoxicants... The main point of the Buddha's precepts, especially the Mahayana Bodhisattva precepts, is not harming others (or oneself). Therefore, if we are doing anything to alter our experience (such as consuming food, drink, entertainment, facebook, meditation, drugs, etc), the most important point (it seems to me) is asking: Is this harmful to others or myself? Is this beneficial? What is my intention?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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amain.com can clone Verdi for 30 bucks, no tax, free shipping. Six color options. Arrives in about 3 days. I recommend buying extra rotors.
Flying it is very meditative. The pilot must remain very calm or Verdi tends to attack things.
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Is Verdi conscious? Since it seems to like to go after your face I suspect it is. Are flies conscious? They certainly delight in challenging my fly swatter. Do flies meditate? It appears they do as they bask in warm sunlight. Indeed, what is the mind of a fly? Will we ever know? But what is it to "know?" Do living creatures dwell at quantum levels? Does entanglement actually transmit knowledge at faster than light speeds? Is there evidence of entanglement in the human mind? Does Tim Folger have a clue what he is writing about? Could John L do a better job of explaining quantum complexities? Are essential singularities ripples in the fabric of the complex plane?
Questions ad infinitum . . .
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Verdi is conscious - he is an extension of my consciousness. When I fly Verdi - I append him to my body map - rather imperfectly.
Larger drones are much easier to fly. They're not buffeted by the slightest drafts, nor are they beholden to feedback from their own prop wash. Many of them also have more smarts like auto hover. I think Verdi's probably the most difficult drone to get to do exactly what you want. Verdi is so subject to ground effects that the only way to land it any where near where you want is to hover at about 6 inches, cut power, and just drop it. Any lower and it wildly skims around at high speed. Verdi also sticks to the ceiling. Sometimes the only way to get it off is to cut power until it drops then slam it back on to save it just in the nick of time.
Experimenters have wired up a live beetle and flown it with a joy stick. I hope it was in a padded room for the beetle's sake. I can't imagine trying to fly anything smaller than Verdi didn't involve a fair amount of less than perfect landings.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Is Golden Ratio's 1.618 the Mathematical Key to Construction of Space-Time As Well As Biology in This Universe?
The time has come to recognize that relativity and quantum theories
can be integrated, and linked numerically, to the value of a mathematical constant Phi 1.618 whether in the context of space-time or biology.
 Jan Boeyens, Ph.D. and Francis Thackeray, Ph.D.
http://www.sajs.co.za/sites/default/files/publications/pdf/Boeyens_SciCo.pdf
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 22, 2015 - 10:03am PT
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Those interested in mind-brain relations (how mind is generated from the brain) might enjoy...
Still Alice (2014).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3316960/?ref_=nv_sr_1
I just saw it and thought it was very good.
They say Julianne Moore should win Best Actress tonight for her performance as Alice.
She is my pick over Rosamund Pike.
"In this world, there is a kind of painful progress. Longing for what we've left behind, and dreaming ahead." -Tony Kushner
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"It's easy to spot a hallucination only when it's bizarre. For all we know, we hallucinate all the time." -Incognitio
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Feb 22, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
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Maybe this thread still has legs.
Maybe not.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Feb 22, 2015 - 09:37pm PT
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They say Julianne Moore should win Best Actress tonight for her performance as Alice.
i don't know. i like Patricia Arquette. As far as best actress for tonights performance.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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Freedom with a wrinkle principle...
As living things we have freedom, of course we do, but it comes with a wrinkle - it is entirely caused.
COMPARE
A) Freedom comes at a price.
B) Freedom comes with a wrinkle.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Feb 23, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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Is the mind of a humanist substantially different from that of a scientist?
Does mind = consciousness? Does mind = consciousness + reasoning? Does pure mind = consciousness - reasoning?
Does it make sense to talk of the mind of an unconscious person? Does mind function if and only if brain functions?
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Feb 24, 2015 - 08:22am PT
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In the marketplace of ideas, inquiring minds are the customers for the sellers of ideas.
"... our minds are organs, not pipelines to the truth. Our minds evolved by natural selection to solve problems that were life-and-death matters to our ancestors, not to commune with correctness or to answer any question we are capable of asking."
"People have thought about these problems for millennia but have made no progress in solving them."
How the Mind Works
Stephen Pinker
Some traits of an organism are merely by products or side-effects of what exists by dint of its adaptiveness.
http://www.2think.org/htmw_review.shtml
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Feb 24, 2015 - 09:14am PT
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The mind is more than consciousness it seems to me. For example, when we dream, we dream according to our own waking experiences. Each person has their own individualized rewards and nightmares according to what has already been imprinted + the unique combinations each individual mind makes up.
Consciousness, particularly self consciousness, is the result of a certain stage of development (babies are thought to acquire an idea of themselves as separate from the mother over a period of time and before they begin speaking), but in general, language or some other symbol system is associated with consciousness. Consciousness implies a relationship with others.Consciousness may or may not involve logic and reason.
"Pure Mind" is the absence of reasoning or any line of thought involving language. The path to "pure mind" or "no mind" often begins with a non rational discursive exercise like counting 1,2-1,2 or saying a mantra which eventually fades away.
The mind is a whole spectrum of awareness from coma to dreamless sleep, dreams, minds under anesthesia who can't remember anything afterwards to those undergoing anesthesia who can remember the surgical team's conversations afterwards, to babies screaming for food, to recognizing their relatives, to babbling, talking, learning to read, studying math and philosophy, learning to meditate and then arguing about all of the above before starting their own children on the process.
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I just realized that if we say consciousness is the ability to use a symbol system, then dreams which use non verbal symbol systems have to be thought of as a type of consciousness. And pre linguistic babies dream. Such is the world of mind definitions!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 24, 2015 - 11:17am PT
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mh2, that would be Steven...
...but the heck with correctness. ;)
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Feb 24, 2015 - 12:28pm PT
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I'm going to my annual 8 day zen retreat starting on friday 6am to 945 Pm 11 plus hours of meditation a day. As usual have to work like a dog before hand to escape the work place. I gave a TR about last years retreat in the old S vs R thread that disappeared ; maybe I will make another TR after this one.
What is "I" that attaches to comfort and discomfort?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 24, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
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"I'm going to my annual 8 day zen retreat starting on friday..." -PSP
Cool.
What is your #1 goal, if you don't mind telling us.
Or is it goalless?
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It is really a shame that thread was deleted, all content included.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Feb 24, 2015 - 12:33pm PT
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I will look forward to a Zen retreat trip report. I'm sure others will be interested as well.
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