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TradEddie
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Philadelphia, PA
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Ah, where in that PC does it state... "LOADED"?
Big difference between a "loaded" and "unloaded" weapon.
Show me where in Nevada code carrying a loaded gun is a felony in the absence of other circumstances.
TE
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Your correction/apology is accepted, and it re-enforces the point I made to Madbolter a while ago when I pointed out that safety restrictions on firearms for hunting on private property are often far stricter than those for carrying in a crowded public place. That simply doesn't make sense.
You're also missing the point that while concealed carry requires a permit, carrying a concealed weapon without that permit is only a misdemeanor (in NV as I've shown, and many other states). That must really scare the gang-bangers, I doubt that it's even worth the cops or prosecutors time to bring it to court. The NRA would like you to think it's a felony, like they want you to think that selling guns to criminals is a felony. Otherwise you might support stricter gun laws, those that might actually reduce crimes, but also reduce gun sales.
TE
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WBraun
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American anti gun nuts are stooopid.
The anti gun nuts will take everyone's guns away and then those anti gun nuts will be beheaded by knives.
:-)
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Chief, of course illegally carrying an illegal gun during execution of an illegal act is a felony, but I hope the penalties for such an act are already adequate. The penalties for "merely" carrying a concealed loaded weapon without a permit are not adequate deterrent in most states.
One of the "anti-gun" laws that I want is that all states would require training and competency tests for carrying of a loaded weapon in a public place, and that the penalty for carrying a loaded weapon in public without that permit would be a felony, sufficient at a minimum to prevent the perpetrator from ever legally owning a gun again. No law-abiding citizen would have their rights infringed by this.
Same goes for universal background checks, as long as even one state allows the private sale of guns to strangers without background checks, the effectiveness of the laws in states that prohibit such sales will be limited. At present 33 states allow these sales. It's simply not illegal to sell a gun to a criminal in 33 states. It's only illegal if you know he's a criminal, and only prosecutable if the courts can prove you knew it. If all gun sales required background checks, the "I sold it to some dude" defense would be gone and police would have more motivation to track recovered guns and prosecute straw purchasers.
Do you believe it should be legal to sell a gun to a total stranger, without a background check?
Where do you think criminals get their guns?
TE
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Mad69Dog
Ice climber
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How many dozens of guns would I need in my collection before someone thought it was too much?
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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When I asked a former friend how many guns he had, he scratched his head and asked if he could guess to the nearest twenty. That's a good sign that he had too many.
Just a few years later, he was the subject of a domestic abuse restraining order, his wife was a world-class competitive pistol and sporting clay shooter but she realized that despite being armed, talented, trained and getting a restraining order, she needed to get out. Helping her leave that house is the only time in my life I felt it was remotely necessary to be armed for my own protection.
TE
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Compare the gun violence/death between a state that has some of the most strictest gun laws, Illinois, to that of let's say, Wyoming, Idaho or Montana which has some of the lenient gun laws.
The Chief is correct regarding the strong correlation between gun "control" and gun deaths
example:
Alaska, the state with the least restrictive firearm laws has one of the highest gun death rate
Massachusetts, most restrictive gun laws, least firearm deaths
all per capita of course
the correlation is not just the most extreme examples, it is causal pretty much throughout
example, New York, very restrictive gun laws and very few firearm deaths
thanks for pointing this out, Chief, it needed to be
and if anyone doubts this they can simply look it up themselves by simple internet search
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Most are stolen weapons then acquired through their local street black market.
Wrong again. Facts. ATF figures say that only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes were stolen. Even that should be justification for legally mandated better security for FFLs and private gun owners.
Diversion through corrupt FFLs, straw purchasers and no-questions-asked private sales account for many times more "crime guns" than stolen guns do. That's why Universal Background Checks are so important. Sure, burglars find guns and they'll pass them on to the illegal market, but why would a criminal who wants to get a gun risk getting caught breaking into a house (or risk facing one of those guns from the wrong end) when in 33 states he can go to armslist.com do a keyword search for "no background check", make an untraceable purchase and face absolutely no risk of getting caught?
Do that armslist search and see for yourself, why do so many sellers specify "no background check required"? Why do so many legitimate dealers have to point out that they will do a background check, if not to avoid wasting time with the large proportion of inquiries by criminals?
TE
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/justice/michigan-porch-shooting-sentencing/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Theodore Wafer said he was sorry from the bottom of his heart Wednesday for gunning down an unarmed young woman on the front porch of his Michigan home, but a judge said "mistake" was the wrong word to describe a murder and sentenced him to 15 to 30 years in prison.
One less Gun Nut on the streets, and hopefully a warning to others about what "responsible gun ownership" really means.
TE
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crankster
Trad climber
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We had around 2 dozen folks at that counter from California throughout the day. And to the last person, they were complaining hard about their home state. Most of them wishing to leave and move to NV.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out of our fine state, gunNuts!
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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We could have more than doubled our sales yesterday from all those from CA wishing to buy. Now here is some thoughts on this trend that is clearly happening~~ that in another ten years, what will the situation be in CA? Will it be like Chicago? Because that is the way it happened there- in one of the most violent torn cities we have. And the populations of neighboring states will grow - where laws arent so restrictive.
You are aware that despite having ten times the population density of Nevada and some of the largest cities and slum ghettos in the country, a shared porous border with lawless Mexico, where you believe all illegal guns originate, California's per-capita gun murder rate is still only 10% higher than Nevada? You can't even claim that easy access to guns in Nevada protects you better, Nevada's overall per-capita murder rate is 20% higher than California's.
Obviously people are moving from CA to NV just to buy guns, it couldn't possibly be jobs, or lack of state taxes?
Dream on.
TE
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Don't let the door hit you on the way out of our fine state, gunNuts!"
As California goes, so goes the Nation.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Who needs to steal guns or buy them illegally in America when they are so, so easy to get legally? You can go to any yard sale, flea market or gun show and buy a gun no matter who you are. This Hollywood/TV idea that street criminals have super secret arms dealers who sell them sophisticated next-gen weaponry is largely apocryphal.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ron Andersen claimed Many firearms manufacturers are now engaged in a boycott of CA due to new laws of micro stamping and such.
Yes I'm sure so, so many arms manufacturers are choosing to not sell weapons to the 10th largest economy in the world. And California would clearly be much worse off if they did. Anyway, let me just finish adding this to my shitthatdidnthappen.txt file.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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No, both companies have merely announced that they will (someday, eventually) stop shipping to California. Neither company has actually stopped, and likely never will.
Dream on.
TE
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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pwned again!
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