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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 19, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
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I reject science! How can we trust any system of knowledge that involves modification of testable hypotheses?
I find it much easier to trust stories handed down through generations of desert wanderers or the subjective experience of folks who already agree with me. Besides, they never change their "hypotheses" so they MUST be right.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 19, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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Ron, please provide specifics. Where was the sale? When did this occur? Surely you remember if you testified in court about it.
I want to check the FS records for more information.
Also, I can't find a single map that DOESN'T include Woodfords. Can you explain why that particular section of old growth forest within the accepted range "had never and would never" be home to a spotted owl? You say "dramatic differences in over all habitat." Please be specific.
http://www.owling.com/Spotted_nh.htm
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 19, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
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I would bet Rick would be a science denier if it was not for the science behind the internal combustion engine in his f350.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
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One cannot conclude from the past 15 year instrumental record that the models, and the science are incorrect. Understanding the variability is a major interest to the science program, and increasing the temporal and spatial resolution of the modeling also a part of the program.
Very good diversion. Clap Clap. Not buying one word of it. Explains nothing regarding the fact that the models are consistently off by a considerable margin. They have never been close to reality. Never. The modelers are "smoothing" their data/models on a regular basis to coincide with real time global "signals". The "modelers" have to exhibit some sort of good faith after frequently being called on concerning their totally off base and complete science fiction computer model data. This must certainly all be "part of the program". The program of complete malarkey propaganda. All at the Amerikan tax payers expense.
Now that the real time "signals" indicate ZERO warming for the past 15 or so years, you produce the excuse of "variability". Please do explain the percentage time frame when signals are deemed consistent.
According to the Met Office , there has only been a rise in temps since the late 70's then it stagnated in 1998. That is roughly only a 20 year rise. Then a 15 year dead point. Would not the 20 or so year rise be considered a "variable" as well?
60+ % of the northern state lakes have yet to thaw out completely. Thus breaking and setting new records. "Variability" I presume.
Oh the horror of it all.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 19, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
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Knotts post is akin to me saying Rong uses the wrong glue for his owls... as in he doesn't know sh#t about the statistical methods or models he criticizes.
Admittedly, it is very involved and does take a certain level of commitment to fully understand it. And since you will never put in the commitment, please do continue to show your ignorance.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 19, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
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Knotts ,how about posting a pic of yourself in a welders apron?
60% of northern lakes? It was 87f today.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
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and by the way, Knotts, the plot you show still has the temperature rising at nearly 1ºC/century...
Why thank you. You just endorsed my point regarding the IPCC's total fallacy with their climate modeling. Each and everyone of their models indicates 3-7 times the amount you just posted. Thus, you can throw your claim of variability in the trash.
Why did you start with 1851 Mr. Ed. There is plenty of data that goes back much further than that period.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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May 19, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
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I reject science! How can we trust any system of knowledge that involves modification of testable hypotheses?
I'm incredulous.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 19, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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The models are total lies. All of them.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 12:14am PT
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there are many others, aren't there?
There sure are. They are all way off. Way off. Guesses at best and many at the tax payers expense.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 20, 2013 - 12:46am PT
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Funny how you nuts will latch onto ANYTHING that supports your view, no matter how shaky the underlying assumptions... yet discard the vast majority of studies that have ACTUALLY gone through the peer review process but contradict your view.
Knott, you might want to provide references to your material. That figure you keep posting appears to come from Christy (but posted on http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/, clearly reputable). From my understanding, similar discrepancies can be seen when comparing measurements made with thermometers and temperatures estimated by the satellites.
Of course, we can't be sure that is what is going on until you provide us a link to the actual study that explains the details of what that graph is showing.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 20, 2013 - 02:03am PT
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Has a scientific hypothesis ever been developed then tested exclusively in the virtual world of computer modeling before? Furthermore, has the real world observations of failure of such hypothesis ever before been rejected in favor of a "virtual world consensus belief" in acceptance of the virtual world models? Are you CAGW guys part of a new age kookish religion? Knotts has presented graph after graph produced largely by your brothers fringe and you still cannot see reality.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 20, 2013 - 02:53am PT
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^^^ well I would match that with ur scientific certainy of where and when it's going to rain..
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 20, 2013 - 02:58am PT
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These days prediction of rain is not generally a religious affair.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 09:08am PT
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The song and dance games begin, officially. All in preparation for the release of the AR5 Report in September. That will be the icing of the heated debate. The fork so to speak that will put an end to the burning meat saga.
Extreme global warming seen further away than previously thought.
"The most extreme rates of warming simulated by the current generation of climate models over 50- to 100-year timescales are looking less likely," the University of Oxford wrote about the findings in the journal Nature Geoscience.
The rate of global warming has slowed after strong rises in the 1980s and 1990s, even though all the 10 warmest years since reliable records began in the 1850s have been since 1998.
The slowdown has been a puzzle because emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases have continued to rise, led by strong industrial growth in China.
Examining recent temperatures, the experts said that a doubling of carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere above pre-industrial times - possible by mid-century on current trends - would push up temperatures by between 0.9 and 2.0 degrees Celsius (1.6 and 3.6F).
That is below estimates made by the U.N. panel of climate scientists in 2007, of a rise of between 1 and 3 degrees Celsius (1.8-5.4F) as the immediate response to a doubling of carbon concentrations, known as the transient climate response.
http://news.yahoo.com/extreme-global-warming-seen-further-away-previously-thought-090821067.html
Not only are the climate models a total joke and squandering of the peoples money, but so is the theory that C02 is forcing a rise in the temperatures. The global temps are just not playing according to the rules set by human science. Imagine that. Variability certainly will now be the official excuse to cover their buttocks so to speak. Correct Mr. Ed.
The party isn't going to happen. The catering company forgot to bring the food and the band lost their instruments. Your God of "Human Science Knows All" is dying a quick death.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 20, 2013 - 09:33am PT
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I think Knotts is just Rick on another computer.
He found a convert, himself.
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