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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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I enjoy seeing JB's thread bumped every year like this. It is something to think about.
NA tribes competed for space and good hunting without ever getting organized. It is a valuable lesson and metaphor for humans on Earth.
Our nation is a great place and what has been done is done. Never forget that this great place was built on genocide and slavery.
It was not really necessary but it was a path that was taken and is done. Throwing money at our last natives and former slaves just degrades them.
Picking up the spirit of all people being equal, having right to live life, and working to uplift all people of the USA and of Earth is what we need to do to right the injustice of the past.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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^^^^ This
It is not about money, it is about taking responsibility.
Edit
Humility is not a weekness, even for a nation.
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symphony#1
Trad climber
first chair
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our current national identity is an embarrassment on the world stage.
John Bachar, a man of stout conviction and deep substance, would no doubt be appalled.
as am i.
we've taken the moral low road, because greed, ignorance, denial, and hatred are the easy emotions.
selfishness is comfortable.
america is filthy, right now, building it's negative legacy.
we've put our pursuit of gross excess in front our
our compassion towards those in need; before our
acceptance of those whom differ from us; before our
respect of women, and before our acceptance of science.
these emotions referenced directly above: compassion, acceptance, respect, and intelligence are the difficult emotions; hence the current aversion to them.
but america is strong in it's core values. and the lazy, immoral, ignorant, selfish and hateful denizens among us will die out, and a new, upstanding and valiant demographic will again prevail.
not until then can we hold our head high.
not until then will the world again respect us.
and not until then will this wounded country begin its long, arduous healing process; picking the shattered fragments of its once
courageously humble soul.
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Loco de Pedra
Mountain climber
Around the World
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We can't change our past, but we CAN have a better future. I believe self forgiveness will enable one to practice self love. Once one learns to love the self again, (s)he will be able to love others as well.
I wish tranquility and peace ✌️ for myself, and all of you.
Climb on!
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symphony#1
Trad climber
first chair
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i thought i'd celebrate today
by flying from my vehicle today
the usa flag next to the gay pride
flag in gesture of solidarity to
that threatened aspect of our ill-culture.
and i'd probably wear my
wife's pink slip-over dress
and introduce myself to the detractors
in my redneck town as
aunt sam.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Welcome back, you have been missed.
This thread's title bears thinking about, as does the memory of John Bachar.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Happy Independence Day, America! We hope you get well soon.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Every year I look forward to the contemplative time I spend with this thread reminded of things and seeing how far we've come or fallen.
We're in a pretty bad way. This thread inspires me that we can do better.
I'm sorry that he left us, but I'm glad he left us this.
Thanks again for this John.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Throwing money at .. former slaves just degrades them.
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/news/press-releases/Black-Girls-Viewed-As-Less-Innocent-Than-White-Girls-Georgetown-Law-Research-Finds.cfm
My sense is that money is not what we throw at them.
The spirit of all people being equal - hear hear! But we don't believe they're all equal - we believe 5 year old black girls don't need as much protection as 5 year old white girls - that 5 year old black girls are more capable of succeeding in their environments than 5 year old white girls.
Maybe it makes sense that we reward white girls' families with 13 times the median wealth of black girls' families? They need the protection that money can buy.
The inequality of our beliefs isn't a defect - it's a feature that works to our advantage. People just learn to have different beliefs about who "we" are.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Happy Independence Day!
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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^^^^^^^^^
I fixed your typo for you. It's:
Dependence day.
Putin is making America his Puto.
I Trump est El Chupadero Massimo de Putin.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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‘‘Tis the season....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Let the flag waving begin and END with this day.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jim Clipper
Gym climber
from the ground up
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Let the flag waving begin and END with this day.
Flags are important symbols. History is complicated. Exercise your rights. Maybe, continue the debate, especially now.
Below: All hindsight, but regrettable support of an oppressive regime. Still, they helped stop the Khmer Rouge and somehow pushed back the Chinese. Also, I've heard from a professor that conditions for workers in Vietnam are better, in general, than in China.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-trial-of-abbie-hoffma_b_2334
Sincerely, thanks for your Doninines. Aloha, okagesama, salaam... I'm sure there are other examples. I've worked with some migrants, who proudly wave the flag (at times). Happy 4th!!!
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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What Jaybro said above certainly bears repeating.
What happened at Standing Rock recently?
Have we changed?
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