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Wonder
climber
WA
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Sep 19, 2008 - 02:46pm PT
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Yeah lois this thread is NOT about YOU !!!!
STFU !!!!!!
You know no one misses you when youre gone !!!
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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Sep 19, 2008 - 02:47pm PT
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dont know what chairs have to do with planes, but you've got me wondering about that tale now - perhaps i'm just easily entertained, but i think you have a story there - if not a book perhaps a short story
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Sep 19, 2008 - 03:01pm PT
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I actually don't care about chairs and didn't even read what she said, just trollin' Lois rather.
I am going to buy Licky's book when it comes out, though. Back on topic.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2008 - 10:24pm PT
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Maybe the chair is a metephor for sitting and watching what goes on and not to participate. As many know, the event up at the lake didn't involve a huge number of people, even though after all these years you'd think by the stories that half the population of California was up there. Whew...now there's a reach. How's that for yanking it back on topic?
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Nunya, America
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Sep 19, 2008 - 10:26pm PT
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Well, These folks DO GO on.........
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Sep 19, 2008 - 10:29pm PT
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LIcky - it kind of reminds me of whenever there's a major accident involving Muni in
San Francisco (the public transportation agency). A bus will have a total capacity of
say 60, and estimates will show that perhaps 30 were actually on the bus at the time,
and yet 300 people will file claims against the city...
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 19, 2008 - 11:01pm PT
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Hardman, not to mention the quantity of lawyers that will have
press conferences for victims that live out of state
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jbar
Mountain climber
The Dirty South
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Sep 19, 2008 - 11:36pm PT
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Wow, I'll have to watch the news out there and get in on the bus thing.
I'm definitely going to be looking for this book. Some people have made mention that it may smear the rep of established climbers but most of us realize that we have all come from somewhere we weren't before now. We have all made good and bad choices. From what I have read in the post it seems like the people involved made choices any of us would likely have made and learned if not grew from their experiences. Where some see a "black cloud" or Karma I see only choices and consequences. We have had several instance of "findings" where I am from but mostly everything was trashed from salt water. If people chose to smoke weed contaminated with diesel then that was their choice. I remember when I was young and invincible. I did a lot of things to my body I couldn't even imagine doing now.
OH and I would certainly have been one of the guys getting the dive gear. Just for the adventure of it. Been there done that wrote the book.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2008 - 12:35am PT
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To be honest...there are so many facets to this story. The climbers, dope, plane, investigation, and on and on.
Hell, Pam, the pilot's wife never gave permission for his body to be cremated. Another angle on things.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 20, 2008 - 09:56pm PT
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jbar, I can assure you that there will be no "smearing" of anyone. This book will connect all of the loose ends to all of the stories. For many, over the last 30 there were no loose ends. They thought they knew the real or the whole story. Most have been wrong.
As for using names of those that made it up to the lake to get their share of the "gold", their names are not important. They know who they are as do those that never made it and let others think they did make it. The stories are what are important. Not only the stories up at the lake, but those that resulted from bringing down the smoke and what they did during the sale and afterward.
As I've said on many occasion, I'm not out to expose people. I'm out to tell the stories, but only if they are true. When someone contacts me with their take on what goes on, I spend an inordinate amount of time researching that story.
I'm sure that many of those on this board will confirm how many times I've recontacted them to go over something that they told me.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2008 - 02:16am PT
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Anyone catch the article in the Sept. 13th edition of the Fresno Bee about the plane crash?
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dogtown
climber
Where I once was,I think?
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You should have a ton of info.by now just off this thread.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2008 - 02:44am PT
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What I love is that with this tread running for over three years now you'd think that one of the reporters from the Bee might have stumbled on it and realized that maybe the plane wasn't a Lockheed Lodestar. But what the hell, accuracy in reporting is not required. Makes one wonder at what else in any other article is incorrect?
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dogtown
climber
Where I once was,I think?
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That was two years before my time as a dirt-bag so I know very little about it.Sounded like it was a good time for all,but for the ones that crash the plane.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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All too easy . . .
[url="http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/864348.html" target="new"]Pot Plane Crashes[/url]
edit: not that easy
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dogtown
climber
Where I once was,I think?
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Well,thats only part of the story.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2008 - 10:26pm PT
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Tom, I have that article with photo in hands right now. They printed a hell of a lot more, not accurate, but a lot more in the paper than you can read on that online print.
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sawin
climber
On the ocean the last I checked.
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What is the statute of limitations on possible crimes that might have been committed?
None for capital punishment.
Others from 2 months to 10 years.
Unlike civil some crime statutes may not begin
until reported.
I can not find the statute that allegedly exist in the
past making it a crime to not report a felony if knowing
a felony occurred.
Good luck with your book or books.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2008 - 03:04pm PT
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Sawin...not sure what you are getting at. Who didn't report a crime? Remember, first hand knowledge is different than "I heard they were doing it."
Statue of Limitations for drug possession, dealing/distribution is seven years.
No capital crime was committed so that doesn't apply.
I'm sure there are plenty of attorneys that read this thread who could provide non-billable responses.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Not to mention the evidence went up in smoke decades ago.
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