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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Nov 14, 2008 - 01:13pm PT
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Woody-
Did the Supreme Court jump the gun when it integrated schools back in the 60's? Progress is always too fast for some, not fast enough for other. It will always go in fits and starts. If it had been the Alabama or Mississippi courts that integrated schools you would be damn sure that a segregationist ballot measure would have passed overturning it.
This IS democracy. It's always a back and forth struggle between the different powers of the different branches.
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S.Powers
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Jtree, now in Alaska
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this is the thread that goes on and on my friends...
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2009 - 04:26pm PT
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You still suck.
And the answer is no RJ, they get to keep their presents.
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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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May 27, 2009 - 04:28pm PT
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you know, if a repub said that black people "suck", they'd be pilloried as bigots and hate-mongers...why is it ok for libs to make such racist remarks?
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2009 - 04:30pm PT
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Boo-hoo-hoo...
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2009 - 04:33pm PT
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A lot of people are angry at the Court about yesterday's decision. I'm not. This is the same court that originally recognized gays' right to marraige a year ago. Given a chance, they would probably uphold it. But by choosing to make this a Constitutional Amendment instead of a statute, the Prop supporters didn't give them much wiggle room.
No, the blame still lies with the 52% who voted for this travesty.
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apogee
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May 27, 2009 - 04:37pm PT
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"you know, if a repub said that black people "suck", they'd be pilloried as bigots and hate-mongers...why is it ok for libs to make such racist remarks?"
bookworm, 'libs' didn't say Prop 8 supporters 'suck', dirtbag did. Let's not descend into a listing of the terms that each political side uses to describe their opponents- the list will be long, and both sides will look like idjuts.
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UncleDoug
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No. Lake Tahoe, CA
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May 27, 2009 - 04:39pm PT
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bookworm,
You can't change the color of your skin.
You can change how you look at / think about a given concept.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2009 - 04:40pm PT
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Well, they do suck.
And it's preposterous that he would compare that to a racist slur. If his feelings are hurt, it's nothing compared to the hurt experienced by those who the bookworms of the state inflicted on other people who just want a chance to live and love and not be hated.
So cry me a river, bookworm. Hatred won out yesterday. You should be jumping for joy.
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GDavis
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May 27, 2009 - 04:46pm PT
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Really? Its a 'travesty'?
Its amazing that this is being painted as some huge social and civil tragedy. Its amazing, but not surprising. By and large its a reason for bleeding-hearts to stand on pedestals and make grand speeches and cry out for the poor, helpless gay community, and somehow you, the non-victim, can share in the victim mentality.
Therein lies the rub, you see. Its a race to be a victim. Go ahead, honestly, and have the parades and the emotional oscars acceptance speeches and the whole hooplah. Its childish and its attention mongering.
I honestly, HONESTLY, deep down to the center of my being, could care less about the issue. I choose not to vote or to defend one ISSUE (not those defending/supporting, but the ISSUE - an argumentative fact most people are unable to seperate) on it because its being so blown out of proportion by everyone else little needs be said. Why are there not crying hippies in the streets of how many other DOZENS of states that do not legalize gay marriage? Because its not about gay marriage, its about being the victim, and being the victim feels good.
I can see prop 8 being overturned and gay marriage being legalized here soon, sure, why not? And with it, by the way, a precedent for the courts not to uphold and enforce the laws but rather to create them in opposition to the majority public.
More than anything I just want this whole retarded (yes, PC mongers, I said RETARDED) issue to GO AWAY. Maybe the same crazed bearded liberals could use this same fire and intensity to something useful, like a steady job or fixing our TERRIBLE school system in california, but no, not likely to happen. Not until they can be a victim and paint someone a homophobe/racist/sexist will they get behind ANY issue.
And THAT, my friends, is the REST of the story.
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GDavis
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May 27, 2009 - 04:47pm PT
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"bookworm, 'libs' didn't say Prop 8 supporters 'suck', dirtbag did. Let's not descend into a listing of the terms that each political side uses to describe their opponents- the list will be long, and both sides will look like idjuts. "
No, they say much worse than that. Supporters of prop 8 have been some of the most hated people in California by the far left and the media. Don't believe me? Ask a girl I went to high school with. A bunch of retards tried to take her crown away for expressing her opinion.
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apogee
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May 27, 2009 - 04:54pm PT
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GD, it is easy to argue thatboth sides of the Prop 8 argument are guilty of using negativity in the very nature of their positions, &/or in their tactics to persuade their point. And the result: negativity, divisiveness, and hatred. Point made.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2009 - 04:57pm PT
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Nice rant Gd.
I just got an e-mail from a friend. He wants to leave, CA, feels like people like you, like his family, like most of his old friends hate him, will never accept him, would never want to see him happy if that means marrying the person he loves.
You'll never understand that GDavis.
So go ahead and rant your little heart our about all the little PC hippies if it makes you feel like your hatred, your God, your twisted reasoning is somehow justified.
You know what though? Your side is going to lose eventually.
Edit: it IS a travesty.
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WBraun
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May 27, 2009 - 05:01pm PT
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"whoever voted yes on prop 8 is a nosy busybody who is probably insecure about their own sexuality."
Then why is everyone in this thread so nosy?
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GDavis
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May 27, 2009 - 05:04pm PT
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What 'side'?
I don't have one on this issue. I am just calling shots like I see 'em. Again, I DID NOT VOTE for this issue, and I will not. I honestly could care less where the vote swings. What I do see is a ton of bullsh!t from one side making it about victims and hate. PUH-LEEZ!!!
By the way
"He wants to leave, CA, feels like people like you, like his family, like most of his old friends hate him, will never accept him, would never want to see him happy if that means marrying the person he loves........
...if it makes you feel like your hatred, your God, your twisted reasoning is somehow justified. "
Great job there. Label me a homophobe. Diabolical. This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. You won't focus on issues, you name-call and focus on words like hate and rights and happiness.... your gay friend can get married today, buddy. lol. He can drive to another state and get married there, nothing is stopping him. OR, he can wait a few months and get married here. You act like the supporters of prop 8 want to keep him locked in a tower until prince valiant (which you think is YOU) comes to save him.
I hope he does get married and has a good life. Why not? But he doesn't need you and your ilk to soak up all the attention of standing in front of him and taking imaginary bullets. Stop making it about you buddy.
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GDavis
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May 27, 2009 - 05:07pm PT
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"Me, a neocon Republican, am in favor of gay people having exactly the same rights as heterosexual married couples. Child support, alimony, health decisions, tax rates, etc, but why not invent a word that doesn't insult millions of others."
I don't think the word INSULTS people. Makes them feel uncomfortable, sure. How they interpret things is beyond our governments control though.
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GDavis
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May 27, 2009 - 05:08pm PT
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"whoever voted yes on prop 8 is a nosy busybody who is probably insecure about their own sexuality"
So what, are they gay or homophobes??? make up your mind people!!! Liberals need to focus on ONE label they can put people on, this will just confuse everyone.
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dirtbag
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Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2009 - 05:09pm PT
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GDavis, I never called you a homophobe.
But guess what? It is about my buddy, dickhead.
(I did just call you a dickhead)
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