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10b4me
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Lida Junction
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Oct 20, 2018 - 06:18pm PT
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and I could be wrong
Why Change now?
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 20, 2018 - 06:34pm PT
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As if the forensic argument makes any difference. That kind of violence is unacceptable from any group. If Trump could get votes out of the Proud Boys, I’m sure he’d give them at least an implicit thumbs up.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 20, 2018 - 07:09pm PT
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 20, 2018 - 06:34pm PT
As if the forensic argument makes any difference. That kind of violence is unacceptable from any group.
You're right. In this case, it's a response from harassment and violence that was largely unchallenged.
Ever since Trump won, the left has been raging against him. The day after his inauguration, one million people marched against him in DC. Nationwide, it was close to four million. It's been fairly constant ever since. Now, we have Democrats in Congress encouraging people to seek out and harass conservative. Steve Scalise got shot. But I guess that was a lone wolf event, kind of like the Heather Heyer killing.
But then there's the Rand Paul assault. How many Republicans have been chased out of restaurants? How many Senators who voted for Kavanaugh have received death threats? Ricin in the mail? Hillary, Waters, Booker... they're encouraging this crap.
Nancy Pelosi was recently harassed at a restaurant. I'm not okay with it. But it was only a matter of time before right-wingers adopted left-wing practices.
What's really scary is the reports of activist protesters are being paid by Soros et al. Heard similar stories about funding for Central American refugees.
How much are the uber-rich "liberals" contribution to domestic chaos?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2018 - 08:29pm PT
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Edward T! Re your post about your fears! You are being a good Trump-puppet! Trump & the Republicans need you to be very afraid about so many, many, threats to America.
It looks like you are on board with the "fear-mongers."
Ever since Trump won, the left has been raging against him. The day after his inauguration, one million people marched against him in DC. Nationwide, it was close to four million. It's been fairly constant ever since. Now, we have Democrats in Congress encouraging people to seek out and harass conservative. Steve Scalise got shot. But I guess that was a lone wolf event, kind of like the Heather Heyer killing.
But then there's the Rand Paul assault. How many Republicans have been chased out of restaurants? How many Senators who voted for Kavanaugh have received death threats? Ricin in the mail? Hillary, Waters, Booker... they're encouraging this crap.
Nancy Pelosi was recently harassed at a restaurant. I'm not okay with it. But it was only a matter of time before right-wingers adopted left-wing practices.
What's really scary is the reports of activist protesters are being paid by Soros et al. Heard similar stories about funding for Central American refugees.
How much are the uber-rich "liberals" contribution to domestic chaos?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 20, 2018 - 08:57pm PT
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Edward, that's a whole lot of focus on those on the Left who are supposedly 'encouraging' violence. That guy in the WH has, at the very least, implicitly encouraged right-wing extremist groups throughout his campaign, and into his presidency...all for the transparently obvious motivation to gain votes.
Detente requires two sides. And usually, if it's a genuine interest, the one that's in power goes first.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Oct 21, 2018 - 04:07am PT
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The Chump Train
There’s is no rock under which to hide
when truth’s revealed
and your fate is sealed
and all the lies come home to roost
for the believers and the perpetrators
history holds a special place
when hells released
and furies are no longer heeled
What business is it
I don’t care
as I listen to coyotes dance
the midnight air holds wonder
like the promise of a brand new day
that may not come here soon on earth
One day soon
You’ll wish you cared
to have more understanding
beyond your wounded pride
But there will be no rock
under which to hide
no place of glory to make your boasts
no shelter for to hide
What business is it
I don’t care
as I listen to coyotes dance
the midnight air holds wonder
like the promise of a brand new day
that may not come here soon on earth
So revel in your hollow pride
There will be no rock for which to hide
in your shallow empty glory
no rock for which to hide
when we’ve all gone off the deep end
at the end of your ride
there will be no place to hide
no shelter from the rising tide
-bushman
10/21/2018
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Oct 21, 2018 - 08:07am PT
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Damn you are gullible, Sketch.
all racists are
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 21, 2018 - 08:53am PT
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Edward, I've got a $50 bet going with moose that the Dems will take the House- if they take it with a 2/3 majority (impeaching ability), then it goes to $100. In either case, my winnings will go to benefit Bernadette Regan.
Want some of that bet?
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Aeriq
Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
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Oct 21, 2018 - 09:28am PT
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^^http://proudboysusa.com/
Excerpt from Proud Boys Meeting notes:
"Well, boys - we finally got Jed Finch's girl to give us an endorsement! It ain't much, but it's all we got.
Oh, and Twitter suspended the Proud Boys' Girls account, so we should probably remove that link..."
“Proud Boys saved my marriage,” says PBG Gabriela Finch. “I was completely done with it, but he won me back and fought hard for it.”
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 21, 2018 - 10:08am PT
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These latest PEW Research polls on Trump's lack of popularity among Europeans & conversely, how popular Obama was, are sure to raise the ire of our xenophobic Trumpists!
(Of course, first they will have to look up xenophobic;)
Bush II, Obama, & Trump popularity in Europe.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Oct 21, 2018 - 12:28pm PT
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Apogee
It only takes a simple majority for the House to impeach.
It takes 2/3 for the Senate to convict.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Oct 21, 2018 - 01:03pm PT
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Yeah, you guys are right, a drunk on the Supreme Court, err,
but then there are those nasty conflicting facts again!!
first in his class in High School
first in his undergrad class at Yale
first in his class in Law School at Yale
nobody that does this, is a drunk.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 21, 2018 - 01:04pm PT
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Right you are, August.
Well, I’ll still stand by my bet with Moose, and Edward, too, if he wants in.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 21, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
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So the Euros don’t have faith in us. Boo-Freaking-Hoo!
How long before we have to go bail their sorry asses out, again?
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John M
climber
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Oct 21, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
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nobody that does this, is a drunk.
I Never believed he was a drunk pre se. But he styled himself a choirboy who could not have done what was done to Ford because he didn't drink to excess and was not a belligerent drunk. Drunk being someone who has had sufficient alcohol to be drunk, and not necessarily an alcoholic. Yet there is plenty of testimony that on weekends in College he would drink to excess and was a belligerent drunk. The story of him starting a fight in the bar is a good example of that.
so the defense that he wasn't an alcoholic because he did so well in school is NOT the point. And his notion that one couldn't do well in school and drink to excess on the weekend was also denied by a number of people who knew him. They said that most everyone at Yale drank to excess on the weekend, and yet did well in school. There is no denying he is a high achiever. But his defense of himself that he could not have done this act to Ford because he wasn't that kind of a drinker is nonsense. His argument reminds me of the saying that a lawyer who has himself as a client has a fool for a client. But this was a rigged situation, so his testimony was simply meant to convince those who already believed that he is innocent.
His defense of himself was full of bluff, bluster and belligerence and was full of holes which a competent lawyer with the proper evidence done by a proper investigation could have taken apart. Not exactly the temperament that I would want to see in a supreme court Justice.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 21, 2018 - 01:23pm PT
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I know plenty of people who were firsts in whatever and are drunk from tasting power... The bottom line is cavanaugh has brought partisan politics to a once respected branch of the government..
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 21, 2018 - 01:34pm PT
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Edward...speaking for myself , no...but if an ivestigation discovered that cavanaugh did assault christine blasey ford and the dems were in a majority then yes...what do you think...?
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John M
climber
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Oct 21, 2018 - 01:40pm PT
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no.. Democrats won't try to impeach him. That was bluster to try to get the republicans to change their minds about him. They might campaign on that to get votes, but will then do nothing but bluster.
As for Antifa.. your notion that they were the cause of the proud boy group is ridiculous because it ignores how Trump and the conservatives ran his campaign. Perhaps you have forgotten or chose to ignore the violence that trump incited while having people kicked out, sometimes brutally at some of his campaign events.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/
Edit: can't figure out why I can't post an photo. I keep getting an error message.
you helped elect him, therefore by your logic you are partly to blame for the rise of antifa. violence begets violence.
I in no way support antifa's violent methods, but I do agree that we need to protest many things that are happening today.
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