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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 25, 2017 - 12:33pm PT
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A though time for Trump internationally after losing two hand-shakes to well prepared Macron
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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May 25, 2017 - 12:35pm PT
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@TrueFactsStated just Tweeted that(according to source related to investigation) Flynn has begun proffering with FBI and USAG.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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May 25, 2017 - 01:30pm PT
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Nut.... if you get the parties involved.... you get what we now have.
Monolith... yes an election. Donald WON fair n square, according to the rules in place.
chew on that
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 25, 2017 - 01:33pm PT
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Guy
It just don't recall you having the same attitude about respecting Obama
He was the President, elected fair and square
Nut, I agree with the gerrymandering problem, it is really bad in the Red States
There should be a Federal standard of Non-Partisans dividing up the States evenly.
Of course the GOP will never allow that, States Rights and all
If it helps them they want states rights (slavery, abortion), if it hurts them they want Federal Laws
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 25, 2017 - 02:05pm PT
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Q: how can you make districts?
A: hand the job over to some good geographers, and keep all politicians out of the process.
What we get in California????? A great big flipping mess.
Guy, you should know this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Citizens_Redistricting_Commission
The California Citizens Redistricting Commission is the redistricting organization for the state of California. It is responsible for determining the boundaries for the Senate, Assembly, and Board of Equalization districts in the state. The 14-member commission consists of five Democrats, five Republicans, and four commissioners from neither major party. The commission was authorized following the passage of California Proposition 11, the Voters First Act, by voters in November 2008.[1] The commissioners were selected in November and December 2010 and were required to complete the new maps by August 15, 2011.[2]
Following the 2010 passage of California Proposition 20, the Voters First Act for Congress, the Commission was also assigned the responsibility of redrawing the state's U.S.congressional district boundaries in response to the congressional apportionment necessitated by the 2010 United States Census. The Commission has faced opposition from politicians because "many safe seats in the Legislature could suddenly become competitive."[
If anything is unfair it's that they have too many Republicans on the commission in relation to the number registered in the state.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 25, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
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Sean Spicer — a Catholic — didn’t get to meet the pope. Even reporters feel sorry for him.
"Trump has done something I thought was impossible,” tweeted one reporter. “He has made everyone empathize with/defend Spicer."
Trump has sucked the lifeblood out of Sean Spicer
And now that his utility has diminished, get ready for the president to cast him aside.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 25, 2017 - 02:28pm PT
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What we get in California????? A great big flipping mess.
What would be the nature of that mess?
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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May 25, 2017 - 03:14pm PT
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Guy, the simplest measure is this: do the percentage of party representatives for each state reflect what the party percentage of the popular vote is in that state?
You mean like if we had proportional representation. So say that we had proportional voting. What a concept! Divvy districts so that each, for instance, had ten seats up for election. If a given party got 20% of the vote in that district they would win two seats. There would be no way to systematically gerrymander the vote.
I'm sure nobody has ever done anything so radical before...
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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May 25, 2017 - 03:22pm PT
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We should have laws that use non-partisan automated techniques for drawing district boundaries.
We aren't going to get laws that do this. The vested parties are too vested in making sure it stays the same.
For states that have voter initiatives, there is some possibility of change.
At the national level, if 5 Supreme Court justices decided to tackle gerrymandering, they could. Unlike many suggested changes to the political system, it wouldn't take a constitutional amendment.
Our system is explicitly built on checks and balances. It doesn't make constitutional sense (to me) that drawing voting districts should be left to the executive branch in most states.
The judiciary should be involved. As the [nominally] least political branch, it should check the power of the executive (and/or legislative) branch to draw voting districts that create such a built in advantage for the incumbent party.
The SC would get blowback for doing this (but that is true of any high profile issue they rule on) and, again, it requires no new laws or amendments. With the current court and current president, I don't see this happening any time soon. But I hold out more hope for this than I do for congress or state legislatures to do anything constructive.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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May 25, 2017 - 03:26pm PT
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In reality if there was no jerrymandering (ca version) then if the population was evenly distributed and voted to the left 59% of the time then every district would vote 59% for the left and the left would own every seat. But we aren't evenly distributed and I don't think that the 59% should win everything. I would love to see 59% of representatives representing the left in this case, not 49% and not 100%. How exactly you achieve this without changing our government is unknown to me.
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Vlad Pricker
Mountain climber
Alaska West
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May 25, 2017 - 05:50pm PT
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Reilly, I am not riled so much by John Gill's use of snowflake, it just seems sad, and so that such an intelligent man as John has fallen into the trap of using such terms. As for you Reilly, I am not so concerned. We know what you are. And at the end the day, you do not bother me nor what you think.
And you may think, will he answered me, so Vlad must be bothered. Not really, Reilly. I find this whole thing as a joke. And you are a big part of it.
Have a nice day dude.
EDIT
And fire away. I will not answer, I have wasted too much precious time on you, and you are not worth it. My mistake.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 25, 2017 - 05:54pm PT
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Was Trump able to grope the Pope's ( pope grope ) wife...?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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May 25, 2017 - 07:57pm PT
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D + 1.7
R + 13.2
As for California state assembly, it is very close to the overall voting percentages (+ 0). You just can't have more than a handful of competitive districts in CA due to the overwhelming dem vote.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 25, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
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. . . it just seems sad, and so that such an intelligent man as John has fallen into the trap of using such terms
I used it as a term of affection, as you can easily tell by my capitalizing it: Snowflake, a lovely gift of nature. Be proud.
;>)
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WBraun
climber
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May 26, 2017 - 08:30am PT
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Annnnddddd
You'll never find two snowflakes alike ever .......
Plus
Death rate from Alzheimer's disease in the US has risen by 55% in just 15 years.
Proves modern science is killing everyone .....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 26, 2017 - 08:35am PT
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The GMO's in cornflakes are the key source of Azzholeziemers...
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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May 26, 2017 - 09:09am PT
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Guy
It just don't recall you having the same attitude about respecting Obama
He was the President, elected fair and square
CF
Heck... your incorrect on that one. I voted for President Obama the first time around. I had high hopes for him as our President. I thought he would give us a breath of fresh air from the Bush years. But that didn't happen, did it? He got owned by Pelosi and Reid and out came "the affordable care act".... and when he started running around apologizing for what America has done and showing great weakness, he lost me so I didn't vote for him the second time around. Thats my right as an American.
I get that you democrats hate Trump as do many republicans (true blue party member --- George Will for example)
But he won because he is a stick in the eye to almost every established politician who has been feeding at the trough for decades and getting absolutely zero done. The long festering problem of illegal aliens is just one example, I could go on and on. A majority of the voters wanted him over Clinton --- she was a continuation of Presidents Obama's
policies and voters rejected that and her style. (I know she won a majority of votes, but that's not how our system works... see DMT good post)
So heck, we do have many looming issues still to come, the party is just getting started.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 26, 2017 - 09:17am PT
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Guyman...24 million americans may lose their health insurance thanks to Trump.. 45,000 americans die each year because they can't afford health insurance... Is this what Trump meant by America first...? The party is just getting started ..
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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May 26, 2017 - 10:29am PT
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Locker.... The CBD numbers ... you know that their track record stinks on these sorts of evaluations.
And its not like millions of people will be cut off from health care, completely.
Lots (millions) of people have "Health Care" that they can't afford to use....I don't call that HC at all.
I say get the federal government out of meddling in health care and lets see what happens. The Gov will still fund HC for the poor, like it always has.
I know- crazy talk to you socialist types who think it is the Federal governments duty to provide stuff to us.
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