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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:47am PT
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Norton: Based on the polls, we think the model is setting those odds about right. The race is a long way from being a toss-up, but a 3 or 4 percentage point lead heading into the conventions isn’t all that reliable, either. While Obama won twice with pre-convention leads of about that margin, John Kerry went into his convention with a lead of about 3 percentage points in 2004, but lost to George W. Bush. And in 2000, Bush had about a 4-point lead on the eve of the conventions, but lost the popular vote to Al Gore. (Bush won the Electoral College, of course.)
The point is that things are closer than you're making them sound.
Though Trump seems intent on making you right: http://time.com/4413148/republican-convention-donald-trump-corporate-donors/
On a bright sunny Tuesday morning, the Trump Leadership Council gathered at FirstEnergy Stadium for their second official meeting. The group of 40 CEOs and top executives had flown to Cleveland to attend the Republican National Convention and meet with the nominee presumptive, billionaire businessman Donald Trump.
This was the second meeting of the council; the first convening happened a few weeks ago with the nominee presumptive at Trump Tower in New York. The companies represented were there to ostensibly advise Trump on 10 business sectors, such as transportation, healthcare, etc. But it was understood that each of the companies had either already donated money to his campaign, or would in the future—and most were sponsoring convention-related events in Cleveland, according to three people involved in the council.
The group of 40 from companies such as Continental Resources, BNSF Railway and C Spire mingled with Republican members of Congress around breakfast tables set up on one of the stadium’s concourses. The Republican representatives addressed the group, ostensibly stalling for Trump. Rep. Tom Price from Georgia mentioned the plagiarism scandal over Trump’s wife Melania’s speech the evening before. Price blamed the liberal media, who he said, had made the whole thing up, according to people present.
Eventually, though, the speeches ran out and Trump never showed. He had, they found out later, unexpectedly flown back to New York overnight with no word on when he might return. The group was led out to the football field, where NFL champions the Cleveland Browns play, to take pictures before they were let go with no information about when and if a third meeting might take place.
Escopeta posted It did get a little uncomfortable when Melania started talking about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton.....
That was a pretty meta joke right there seeing as how you plagiarized Michael Crowley:
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dirtbag
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Jul 19, 2016 - 11:49am PT
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Polls aside, there are other differences too, hddj.
Bush ran a very good campaign in 2004.
By any objective measure, trump's campaign is a train wreck in terms of staffing, funding and organization. And of course, the man in charge is stubborn and kind of nuts and unlikely to substantially right the ship before November. In contrast, Hillary seems to be running a normal, competent campaign.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 11:53am PT
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So you're saying that Trump with a sh#t campaign lagging by the same amount as Bush with a good campaign in 2004 is supposed to be a comforting idea?
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apogee
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Jul 19, 2016 - 11:56am PT
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No, I'd say that in the vein of what Nate Silver tries to point out in that piece, the post-convention polling is where things will get lots clearer. Bush's campaign was well-run...Trump's notsomuch....which could impact the post-convention direction quite substantially.
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dirtbag
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Jul 19, 2016 - 11:57am PT
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Yep hddj. The general election is still in its early stages, and she has resources to stage a rebound. Also, In a close election he's going to have a tough time mustering enough staff to get asses to the polls to vote.
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
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Yep hddj. The general election is still in its early stages, and she has resources to stage a rebound. Also, In a close election he's going to have a tough time mustering enough staff to get asses to the polls to vote.
I was being facetious. There are plenty of "reasons" why Clinton should be able to win. There are plenty of "reasons" why Trump should never have gotten this far.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
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The pollsters were pretty confident that Britain would not Brexit, too.
I wouldn't be too comfortable with a 'projected' 3% margin. Jess sayin'.
I sure as hell wouldn't be crowing about a beat down. A lot of blue
collar dems like The Donald's NAFTA bashing, etc.
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apogee
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:12pm PT
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You should read that 538 piece, Reilly. And maybe the NYT piece, too.
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F
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away from the ground
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:16pm PT
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Now I want to hear 'Lil Bang Bangs My Little Pony defense for his rip-off.
You know he wasn't at the convention listening to M.T. because they decided to violate his basic human rights by NOT allowing open carry.
Poor little guy. Nothing to do all day but use the Internet as a text generator for his crusade against hypothetical tyranny.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
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Ap, I'm just gonna wait for November and the Fat Lady.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
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I stand by my factual examination of the polls that IF the election were held today that Hillary Clinton would womp Trump in the Electoral College Vote Count.
Doesn't matter if the polls in the swing states show her ahead by 3 or 7, she leads.
There are plenty of "reasons" why Trump should never have gotten this far.
true only if Old Man Conventional Wisdom was to be believed
but then he is the same wise old sage who maintained for 70 years that a rising national debt would absolutely mean rising interest rates, how emphatically wrong he was
fact is, the rise of the Tea Party back in 2010 was clear warning that the base of the Republican Party had changed, into exactly who now will vote for him, and lose, in Nov
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apogee
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
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Looks like you've checked your email today, Cosmic.
I won't bother looking at the source of that transparent attempt at GOP whacknut retribution, but regardless...was Melania's plagiarism really acceptable?
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HighDesertDJ
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2016 - 12:29pm PT
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Cosmic- Other issues aside, are you saying that plagiarism doesn't matter? Your candidate's team wrote a speech lauding your candidate's trustworthiness, honesty and high character that included those very passages lifted from a speech about the Great Kenyan Satan. You don't see even a little bit of irony there? Or are you so easily placated with some "everybody does it" videos?
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:34pm PT
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many people who would never admit it....
exit polling showed millions did not vote for President Obama because he was "black"
no doubt millions of men will never vote for a woman for President
maybe they have a shitty marriage themselves, among other reasons
it is not politically correct nowadays to admit to being a racist or bigot
on account of most everyone will conclude you are bullheadedly ignorant
and that secret is best kept to oneself
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:36pm PT
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Hey F,
Pigeon hunt tomorrow. You in?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
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exit polling showed millions did not vote for President Obama because he was "black"
I'd like to see some of those exit polls.
How about a couple of links?
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
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How about you act like an adult ?
Too lazy to figure out how Google wirks?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Jul 19, 2016 - 12:51pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
Jul 19, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
How about you act like an adult ?
Too lazy to figure out how Google wirks?
Nice backpedal.
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