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Lorenzo
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Portland Oregon
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I believe there some beliefs that are not compatible with American society.
Doesn't the society get to weigh in? How about the bill of rights? Are you un-American?
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Ho man, don't get me started on the Puritans . . .
". . . white and delightsome . . ."
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Lorenzo, I thought our society was moving away from things like the subjugation of women, homophobia (death penalty if yer gay, now that's some serious homophobia)stoning of adulteresses (but not the men), how about involuntary female genital mutilation?
(I know, its a "cultural" thing we are so narrow minded here in America we just cant accept anybody but an angry old white christian dude. We really need to spice it up.)
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Lorenzo, I thought our society was moving away from things like the subjugation of women, homophobia (death penalty if yer gay, now that's some serious homophobia)stoning of adulteresses (but not the men), how about involuntary female genital mutilation?
(I know, its a "cultural" thing we are so narrow minded here in America we just cant accept anybody but an angry old white christian dude. We really need to spice it up.)
Here's An idea.
How about you spend a year or two reading the Quran and finding out where it says anything Genital mutilation and subjugation of women? The actual verses in the Quran are more about equality than the teachings of Paul, for instance. Love to get into it with you about that. The bible says it's OK to sell your daughter into slavery.
Then look in the Christian or Jewish bibles and give me quotes on tolerance for gays ( chapter and verse)
The bible as official word of God does actually prescribe stoning for adultery. Jesus challenges that prescription, not by condemning the scripture, but by questioning the Pharisees.
( John 8:7) " let he among you who is without sin...."
If you want to talk about tribal societies, that's one thing. But the Quran?
Read it first then get back to me.
Comparative analysis is great fun.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Latino wanna-be telling a White Doood all about the Quran. ^^^^^^^^^^^
Priceless.
Only on ST.
RFLMAO!!!!!!
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Go back to sleep, chief.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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And miss out on your prolific insistent stooooopidity?
Not a fking chance wanna-be Latino Lorenzo. Not a fking chance.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Chief sports a Jon Stewart gif?
A closet liberal!
BBBBUUUUURRRRRNNNNNNN HHHIIIIIIMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!619
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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C'mon, you know as well as I do about where women stand in Saudi Arabia for example.
Listen, I'm not here to compare religions (a.k.a. superstitions). We need to get past all this religious dogma stuff. Christians are all over the map, it totally depends on what church you go to.
In all cases, though, when these religions degenerate into what is called fundamentalism they become dangerous. Better to just avoid institutionalized religion in any form.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Well it sure looks like it is going to be Trump vs Clinton
and if so
a Landslide victory for Hillary Clinton
It will be a landslide for Hillary no matter wh she faces
I am afraid of people who want the death penalty for such things as apostasy, homosexuality, and adultry.
Ted Cruz and his ilk.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Suit herself, but you'll have to do put down your Bushmaster and do some reading to keep up.
Careful, there are lots of Muslims in the bushes.
BTW, have you blown up any Girl Scouts with your Claymoor mines on motion timers?
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Is that Stewart? Shet!
Hmmmmmm.... I was interested in the popcorn.
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Reeotch
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4 Corners Area
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I sure hope Western Illinois gets it right again. Bernie is the only person I would feel even remotely comfortable with.
I just don't see it happening though, unless Hillary self destructs. But she seems to be made of teflon.
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philo
climber
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Careful there, Reeo. You're sounding a lot like HFCS.
1. C'mon, you know as well as I do about where women stand in Saudi Arabia for example.
2. Listen, I'm not here to compare religions (a.k.a. superstitions). We need to get past all this religious dogma stuff. Christians are all over the map, it totally depends on what church you go to.
3. In all cases, though, when these religions degenerate into what is called fundamentalism they become dangerous. Better to just avoid institutionalized religion in any form.
Amen, Compadre.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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your Bushmaster ...
Nope Latino wanna-be. No "Bushmaster" here. That's a Kmart piece of shet wep.
Only the Best for this psychopath gun nut...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Just read your post to Reeo, Norton, previous page.
If you think the majority of these 1.5B Muslims have moved past traditional fundamentalism as Christians in US have, well I'm sorry, you're mistaken.
If suddenly all American Christians were replaced head for head with an equal number of world Muslims, Arab to Persian to Eastern - an interesting experiment to be sure - we'd have Sharia within the year and no science as we know it (let alone evolution) in our schooling systems.
I am as concerned about fundamentalist Muslims as I am Islamist Muslims - if not more - because their numbers are so much greater and Islamic influence on a culture extends far beyond terrorism. At risk from this influence... proportional to the numbers of course... law, politics, education, arts and sciences, equity feminism, etc. as we know them.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Sorry chief. Doesn't do anything for me.
I'm sure the front of your pants are all moist, though.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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It should. But whatever.
Why would my pants be "moist" Latino wanna-be Lorenzo? I've owned and regularly shot that wep for over 12 years now.
And you're lecturing REO on the Quran.
Priceless as usual.
Carry on...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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What a difference a few hours makes on this thread. When I last saw it, it was starting to approach rational discussion. Sad to say, I've read a whole lot of bigoted nonsense posted since. I particularly scratch my head over the thought that Islam would end "science as we know it." If so, how did the Pakistanis get nuclear weapons, and how is Iran doing the same? By mystic incantations?
There is an enormous difference between the run-of-the-mill Syrian, say, who was generally a well-educated member of the middle class before the chaos hit, and an ISIS or Wahhabist fanatic. Ask the typical Syrian refugee how much they'd like to be governed by Sharia law, and I suspect their answer would approximate that of the typical Armerican. Well, except that the Syrian would know what Sharia law is. The American would need to consult his or her television.
The slander of Christianity is just as bad. Those commenting the most have yet to demonstrate a familiarity with either orthodox Biblical doctrine or any of the tenets of what has defined "Fundamentalism" for at least 100 years. They simply lump together every angry person who purports to be a Christian as a "radical" or "fundamental" Christian, ignoring (or, more likely, ignorant of) e.g., Matt. 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."
That said, there is nothing unconstitutional or un-American about recognizing that adherents to a particular religion in a particular place face persecution, and giving such a person preference in seeking asylum over someone who is not endangered by his or her religious beliefs. And it's obviously more likely that a Jihadist will be a nominal Muslim, so a rational government policy would look for Jihadists among Muslims, not among Buddhists.
None of this changes my disdain for Trump. If he gets the nomination, he will inflict disaster on the Republican party, probably making it irrelevant nationally for years to come. Judging by the actions of California Republicans since Tom Kuchel lost the primary to Max Rafferty in 1968, I have little hope that we'll chose relevance over being crybabies.
John
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