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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 15, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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Put off his red Corvette, I guess.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 15, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
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And put off your Flinestone mobile... Lorenzo. Stick to walking. You can't hurt anyone other than yourself doing so.
Carry on.... Ciao.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Nov 15, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
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Almost all of you who post to Supertopo are fairly bright. And almost all of you are horrified and disgusted by the killings in Paris.
So you boot up your computers and...
...and spew hundreds of posts about how stupid [name of poster you hate] is.
Have you all taken leave of your humanity? Your intelligence?
What the f*#k is going through your minds that you think the most important thing you can do after an horrific act of barbarism like this is to tell your favorite ST opponent that he's a f*#king idiot.
Does even one of you have a single intelligent word to say? A single thought about how we -- we humans -- should deal with this? It sure as f*#k doesn't sound like it. What it sounds like is that you're all so deeply buried in your hatred of [that as#@&%e] that you couldn't give a rat's ass if everyone in the world died a painful death, as long as you could get your last shot in at him.
Assholes. Each and every one of you.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Nov 15, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
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Thank You and great post.
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 15, 2015 - 06:55pm PT
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The US can start by no longer supporting "moderate" rebels who like ISIS want an islamic state in Syria.
Assad was quite stable for a ME dictator. The west should have let him take care of ISIS on his own, rather than creating a proxy war to profit off
It is sad to see the division the elite have fostered in the US to keep their military industrial machine going
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Nov 15, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
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Ghost,
This is an interesting microcosm of what will happen everywhere.
Violent attacks evoke strong emotions, people feel vulnerable, scared, and most importantly they REACT, and don't think. Critical thinking is suspended.
False flags work. Always have and always will. Divide and conquer. Now France has a blank check from it's people to carpet bomb brown people at will in Syria. Perhaps their oligarchs get a piece of Syria after Assad is replaced with a proper Western puppet.
And the masses will kill each other. Imagine the violence now to be directed towards those homeless Syrians who have been driven into Europe (i.e. evil Brown people)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 15, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
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My Syrian friends are very happy their relatives are in areas under Assad's
control. They have nothing good to say about ANY of the so-called rebel
groups.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 15, 2015 - 07:10pm PT
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The Warbler
climber
the edge of America
Nov 15, 2015 - 06:58pm PT
Last I checked the overthrow of Gaddafi didn't include the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents like dick and dubya's "Operation Iraqi Freedom" did.
Isn't that differnt, The Chief?
Do you know the death toll thus far in Libya thus far since October 20, 2011 due to different factions of radical Islam (including ISIS) that have been fighting for control of that nation, Warbler.
Any idea?
How about we start with these numbers which Obama and Hilabeast were architects of ....
At least 30,000 people were killed and 50,000 wounded in Libya's six-month civil war, the interim health minister said, offering a first detailed estimate of the high cost in lives of bringing down Moammar Gadhafi. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/08/libya-war-died_n_953456.html
That equates to 1/10th of the estimates in Iraq over an eight year period in just six months.
But that is A-OK. Cus of course, it's was Hillary that designed that 6 Month civil war (she basically took full credit for doing so in her 11 hour testimony, repeatedly) in order to take down Moammar Gadhafi. And you Warbler will certainly vote for her next Nov. That is of course if she's NOT arrested.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 15, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
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"But that is A-OK. Cus of course, it's was Hillary that designed that 6 Month civil war"
She promoted and supported the Iraq War too.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Nov 15, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSH! It was a mistake now that she is running for POTUS and it is NOT a good thing to be associated with promoting and supporting that War.
BUT!
If it was a good thing to be so, associated with that War, she of course would be banging her "breasts" and it would be at the top of her, resume.
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Todd Townsend
Social climber
Bishop, CA
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Nov 15, 2015 - 11:07pm PT
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 05:21am PT
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Fear posted False flags work. Always have and always will. Divide and conquer. Now France has a blank check from it's people to carpet bomb brown people at will in Syria. Perhaps their oligarchs get a piece of Syria after Assad is replaced with a proper Western puppet.
France was already bombing Syria. False flag? Don't be absurd. What there is cover for (in case they needed it) are the massive raids currently ongoing in France in primarily Muslim households and neighborhoods. Coupled with the insensitive manner that France already treats it's 5 million person Muslim minority, this is unlikely to ease tensions. On the plus side, they apparently found a rocket launcher?!? No bueno.
Todd- Are you posting that ironically or is your point really "mass shootings like these could never happen in America because of the second amendment?"
Reilly posted My Syrian friends are very happy their relatives are in areas under Assad's
control. They have nothing good to say about ANY of the so-called rebel
groups.
You find it surprising that people living in Assad's good graces are speaking ill of the armed groups trying to advance on them? How do the people Assad gassed like it? Only in Hollywood are opposing sides completely good and completely evil. The Syrian rebels are not a monolith. Assad is not a universal villain.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Nov 16, 2015 - 06:29am PT
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In the end, nothing will change, people will circle the wagons around the ideology of their choice. Double down, no one changes their mind, the terrorists won. Both the Right and the Left, will continue to allow citizens be used as cannon fodder for their bad decisions. FTW
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philo
climber
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Nov 16, 2015 - 07:03am PT
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Op-Ed by Claire Bernish
November 14, 2015
(ANTIMEDIA) The World, at Large — We are in mourning. Again. Indeed, Paris is in mourning, again.
For the second time in less than a year, we are all de facto Parisians — with Facebook profiles, casinos, and whole buildings draped in the blue, white, and red of the French flag. Solidarity as sympathy, bien sûr — a most poignant message that humanity stands with Paris — and will act decisively to avenge the “carnage” unexpectedly wrought by those whose motives most will never fall victim to, much less comprehend.
Most?
Evidently, despite the accumulated knowledge of the entire planet at our disposal through the computer screen, solidarity has escaped some of us.
And I am weary.
Without question, I mourn for Paris’ recent victims and their families — and I would never claim knowledgeable firsthand experience of the same. But I refuse — despite my partial French heritage — to cloak myself in nationalism of any stripe or star, particularly not now. Because, besides victims in Paris, an incomprehensibly astronomic number of people have been grieving loss of the highest order for some time — in places whose names roll off our tongues as if it’s accepted that violence simply happens there — and a majority likely couldn’t guess the colors on these victims’ flags.
You see, I also mourn for those killed mere hours before Paris crumbled into chaos, in strikingly similar attacks in Beirut.
I mourn the hundreds of thousands displaced or killed in Syria, no matter their pledged allegiance. No matter their professed religion. No matter.
I mourn for the millions killed in ongoing and renewed, illegal United States’ aggression in Iraq — and those facing a torturous demise from exposure to depleted uranium employed in violation of international and humanitarian law — for reasons far closer to ‘American’ and corporate hegemony than compassionate principle.
I mourn the untold number killed in the United States’ insidious — and seemingly permanent — war in Afghanistan. And the countless children there who know nothing of peace, much less the feeling of safety it brings. And patients and staff recently targeted, bombed, and then shot while fleeing the Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz — and the irony of that humanitarian organization’s French roots.
I mourn those forced into human slavery or sex trafficking in Malaysia; and curse the scant hope they escape, now that the massive TPP has garnered U.S. government’s tacit approval of the abhorrence that is human trade.
I mourn for Palestinians, whose land was usurped — and whose lives and infrastructure and families and sense of security and HOMES are under siege and occupation by an illegal and actively terrorist State.
I mourn the patients and staff at the over 100 healthcare facilities in Yemen that have been BOMBED since March. And the apparently soulless who found an acceptable target in hospitals.
I mourn for Yemen.
I mourn for the victims of complicit government violence in Mexico, and 43 students and their families who lack answers.
I mourn for Chinese men, women, and children working, quite literally, as slaves, so the West can be rude at dinner and take endless pictures — of its narcissistically apathetic self.
I mourn rampant genocide — past and present — for the sake of manifest destiny. And empire. And imperialism. And inexplicable and unstated reasons.
In fact, I mourn for all victims of terror, whether State or group sponsored, without conditions attached to my grief — no matter location, nor loyalty, nor arbitrary geopolitical happenstance of location of a victim’s birth. And I’m already grieving those soon to be terror’s next victims; since, as French President François Hollande jarringly warned, avenging Paris’ victims just birthed (yet another) “PITILESS” war.
As if gentle were somehow a method to employ in waging war.
Yes, I mourn for Paris. But I do so while weeping in shame at the deplorable supercilious judgment ensconced in Western reaction to it; for countless pitiable xenophobes and their endless vapid justifications; for arrogant commentary from politicians and their media mouthpieces with their embarrassing post-tragedy clamoring to exploit ignorant heartstrings for the appropriate victims; for the endless War of Terror — and the service members who somehow haven’t yet deduced that this would ALL END if they simply refused to f*#king fight.
The fact is, grief on this scale is exhausting. And I’m very nearly out of tears.
So keep these victims around the globe in mind — every, single man, woman and child who has, who is, and who will suffer the maiming, horror, torture, and death that’s as necessary to war as those who take up arms — when you next excuse a politician’s stance on war, because the rest of his or her platform seems really promising.
Or, at least, seems the lesser of two evils.
And shake that flag from your social media profile; and your home; and your thoughts. Because as long as you wear just one flag, your attempt to stand with victims of terror is a most embarrassingly hollow solidarity, indeed.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 16, 2015 - 07:10am PT
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Sorry, John, but it's attitudes like yours that maintain the status quo.
In reality (not here on some climbers forum) intelligent and rasonable people of all nations are coming together to mourn for France and recognize that a greater cooperation between nations is necessary to defeat these terrorists. These bastards won't last. We are and will continue to degrade and destroy them. There will be setbacks, of course, like Paris. But Jihadi John (dead) and his kind are destined for the trash heap,of history.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 16, 2015 - 07:24am PT
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I can't stand Donald Trump. He's a callous rube. He's unqualified to be POTUS. However, he sometimes makes a good point.
For weeks (maybe months) Trump has been saying "Bomb the hell out of ISIS." Now, French planes are doing just that.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 16, 2015 - 07:34am PT
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Ten planes? Twenty bombs?
It's eyewash.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Nov 16, 2015 - 07:34am PT
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Bombing, will not destroy their ideology. It will simply drive it from its nest, into the rest of the world.
I'm old. I'm tired of it. The "Better Dead than Red" ideology, got me drafted and sent far away. I saw things, that are unspeakable. I saw more such, as an office worker in the WTC. On the cutting edge of "diversity". Wide open immigration.
Nothing changes. Things get worse, not better. I've told the younger women in my family, the Muslims are here now, they need to dress more conservatively.
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