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Pate

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
imagine what could be accomplished by a person in the same amount of time that they spend posting their opinions on supertopo.
manemachen

Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 13, 2013 - 02:57am PT
To whom this might apply -ya baby- twistin' for more than 24 hours now- have been trying to wrap my mind around the conflict here. I don't get it- I don't get how you can publicly call someone a liar before you look up what it is that is being discussed. I don't get the venom. I look at the names and where the posters are from and my guess is that 70% of everyone is from California and the unique draw to this website is the common experience of climbing there. I don't get that when I try to convey a unique situation where I live that I thought could warrant a bit of a warning, how convoluted the subject could become.

My husband and I, from 1997 to 2005, owned and operated Flat Creek Automotive and Flat Creek Towing in Jackson Hole. My husband has been a factory trained Ford Mechanic for 30 years, and we hired a factory trained Dodge Mechanic along with a few other people with different skills. These two were the best mechanics in town. We were the 5th automotive shop in Wyoming to become AAA certified. Flat Creek Towing was the primary service provider for AAA and we did 6000 tows a year for that contract alone. Sooner or later, we delt with just about everyone in town including Game and Fish and the Forest Service. Can you follow this part of the RANT ?(it is an interesting word you chose to use-tells a lot about you.) I would think the information (STORIES) these folks told us were probably correct- (Unless you think everyone is a liar) That was the same time that my husband had started fishing in Yellowstone. The dodge mechanic spent some of his off time antler hunting and at that time he was reading a book about Grizzly attacks. He was concerned. If you look up books on grizzles on Amazon, there are currently 24 books for sale on bear attacks, survivors of Grizzly attacks etc. What we had, that those that were critical of my 2nd hand info, might not have, is a local NEWSPAPER in our town- the Jackson Hole News and Guide, which printed stories about local events, such as wildlife encounters.

I really don't know much about guns. I spent my time in those days either working my ass off, or riding my horse in the Bridger Teton Natl Forest. The scariest encounter was a surprise grouse that made my horse jump sideways. A couple of brothers that grew up as ranch kids, haying with horses in the 30's and 40's, told me about the scabies quarantine and how it affected everyone- I wasn't there--so beat me!! I wrote about that because overpopulation of elk has caused big problems, hence they introduced wolves and grizzles back into the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. The only Grizzly in California, as far as I know, is on the flag, So maybe it is nice for someone to bring it up so that you may give it second thought as you head out.

One climber that I know went running in the late afternoon near Mormon Row in Grand Teton. While running, he noticed three wolves that had begun to track him and were diagonally coming at him. He turned around and headed back toward his car, surveying the ground all the way back, hoping for a big stick. He was spooked. How is that 2nd hand info any different than reading your posts? At least I know him somewhat and trust that he is straight up. That is what he told me and that was part of my decision to purchase the pistol.

I think that I believe that if you think I am wrong, have the courtesy to take a moment- before you fire from the hip- Either #1. look it up and let me know or #2. move on and write your own sh#t.. but to camp on my ass and tell me " to shut up"- unbelievable and humiliating,
"I have more back country time than you do- and more contacts with bears." B.F.D. I don't get it, that comment. Second hand or not, MY POINT was my thoughts about this area and it's circumstances before buying a gun, and I ended it with "BE CAREFUL." I CAN COUNT years since the re-introduction.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND NEITHER DO YOU AND IT IS MY PREROGATIVE TO BUY A PISTOL JUST AS AN ADDED LEVEL OF SAFETY for someone that I love. Complex concept for you? Most animals, if offered a chance to get away-flee.

As for the questions on the forms I filled out-my memory WAS correct.
The questions smacked like-"let me lie and get outta here". I do think they need to make a change-develop a better approach like a reference system to verify the character of the person, like a notary has to have, or a three day waiting period. We, as a country have a problem.

Please, if I bore you at this point, move on..I won't be reading any more critiques, so don't bother..

A Final, Final note- my peers trust my judgement- so I haven't had a personal attack like this in a long time. I felt this possibly could be a good place to exercise my writing, getting my point across, and a little though provoking information might come my way, but I feel shell shocked. I might as well go jump in Boulder Lake-freezing as it is, then to continue to participate in this lost exercise. What is it, this challenge that I am an irrational, emotional gun owner. Really.?. I think it is more like male EGO - "I have purchased 10 guns this year" He happens to be the one that isn't aware of what the form says (seriously unbelievable) or he translates "ridiculous" as something else (because I am sure we don't speak the same language). I did copy the address- you can go back and look.

My head has been "twistin'" but I won't let that happen EVER again. It is not for me- I have already had my share.. I needed to say this in this forum, so I could turn off my "twistin" head and limp away.
manemachen

Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 14, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
HMMM another 24 hours pass, no BALLS, no CLASS, no APOLOGY.




just what I thought..
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Nov 14, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
LEB has a gun and lives in Wyoming now? Wtf?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 4, 2013 - 12:44am PT
"The nation was in shock. This does not happen in our country," said Thora Arnorsdottir, news editor at RUV, the Icelandic National Broadcasting Service.

She was referring to a 59-year old man who was shot by police on Monday. The man, who started shooting at police when they entered his building, had a history of mental illness.

It's the first time someone has been killed by armed police in Iceland since it became an independent republic in 1944. Police don't even carry weapons, usually. Violent crime in Iceland is almost non-existent.

"The nation does not want its police force to carry weapons because it's dangerous, it's threatening," Arnorsdottir says. "It's a part of the culture. Guns are used to go hunting as a sport, but you never see a gun."

In fact, Iceland isn't anti-gun. In terms of per-capita gun ownership, Iceland ranks 15th in the world. Still, this incident was so rare that neighbors of the man shot were comparing the shooting to a scene from an American film.

The Icelandic police department said officers involved will go through grief counseling. And the police department has already apologized to the family of the man who died — though not necessarily because they did anything wrong.


http://pri.org/stories/2013-12-03/iceland-grieves-after-police-kill-man-first-time-its-history
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Oct 1, 2015 - 11:49am PT
http://sierranewsonline.com/mariposa-county-deputy-shot-during-traffic-stop/
update: http://sierranewsonline.com/sheriff-guarded-but-optimistic-about-deputys-condition/
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Oct 1, 2015 - 04:46pm PT

And 13 dead in Oregon, another dozen or more injured.
Where will it end????
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 1, 2015 - 05:10pm PT
When the human race ends.

It's a story as old as Cain and Abel.

All he needed was a big rock.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 1, 2015 - 05:12pm PT
'Abel'

Edit: Thanks for the correction! Makes us spelling nazis smile.

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